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by littlestymaar 2305 days ago
That's a big wall of text, with some nice ideas about how efficient markets are the solution to the problem, but you fail to realize that the US has a sub-par medical system (life expectancy is lagging quite far from most European countries) while being twice as costly as the OECD mean per capita.
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I understand why people use this talking point. It's easy to say and the reasons why it's nonsense involve details.

You can't compare life expectancy without accounting for cultural or geographic differences. The US has a higher rate of motor vehicle fatalities (as a result of driving more), more suicides and drug overdoses etc. These bring down life expectancy because they disproportionately impact the young. The US also has a lower population density which worsens emergency response times.

But one of the biggest factors is that the US system is really terrible for people without insurance. The outcomes for US patients with health insurance are better than they are just about anywhere. Lack of insurance is an economic problem, solvable by instituting a UBI or similar so that the people who can't currently afford insurance become able to.

One of the reasons why the US system is more expensive was already described above -- paying market prices when other countries use price controls has the US subsidizing medical R&D for the rest of the world.

There are also several other reasons costs are high specifically in the US. For example, there aren't enough residency slots but residency is required by law, which limits the supply of doctors. The FDA requires extremely expensive clinical trials but doesn't pay for them, which makes it nearly impossible to bring a new medicine to market that isn't under patent. There is a major lack of price transparency which prevents patients paying out of pocket or with high deductible insurance from comparing prices for non-emergency procedures. These are regulatory failures, not market failures.

> The outcomes for US patients with health insurance are better than they are just about anywhere

How many people in the US lose their health insurance because of serious health issues e.g. lose their job, or run out of money for private insurance due to spiraling costs of dealing with a serious health problem? Or because they are old? Or because due to a slight health issue, confounding effects make it much less likely to have insurance? Or poor people have worse health and they can’t afford insurance?

Saying outcomes are better for those with insurance could very easily be due to other correlated causes, and not due to the healthcare system working well.

So cultural differences like substance abuse and suicide between the US and Europe explain nothing there, but cultural differences between people with and without health insurance in the US explain everything?

You're basically making the opposite point. Maybe people also live longer in Europe because they have more of a safety net (and therefore less severe poverty) in general, and so what the US really needs is a UBI rather than single payer.

That's amazing how you seem to live in an happy imaginary world where everything is fine. There's not much to discuss when you're just making pretty stories to convince yourself. Good day.
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> The outcomes for US patients with health insurance are better than they are just about anywhere.

This is interesting, can you provide a source for this?

Agreed on all other counts.

There is evidence for this from basically anyone who collects relevant data, e.g.:

https://annals.org/aim/fullarticle/2635326/relationship-heal...

> Such patients live, on average, 10 years longer in Canada than in the United States. Among U.S. patients, those without known coverage have the shortest survival; among privately insured persons, life expectancy is similar to that of patients in Canada

You realize that your quote contradicts your own claim don't you.