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by baybal2 2304 days ago
I remind you, Google was one of the companies caught collaborating with NSA as per NSA leak by Edward Snowden
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The Snowden leak indicated Google's internal network has been physically compromised. That's the opposite of collaboration.

Google is still a big target for the NSA and other espionage organizations.

Two separate programs. They collaborated with PRISM, and MUSCULAR hacked Google to provide even more access than was negotiated.
PRISM was just a fancy NSA source name for “the FBI serves warrants and collects data on our behalf.”
PRISM involved automated systems created by the various companies to comply with FISA requests that could originate from the NSA but would be served by the FBI.
No. The FBI issues Section 702 data requests for individual users to the companies, whose lawyers manually review the requests and may dispute them before a FISC judge. Only after the company approves the request do they start sending data to the FBI's DITU. PRISM consumes the data from DITU's servers.

The system that sends new communications with the monitored individual to the FBI is definitely automated, but configuring an account to be surveilled is a manual process controlled by the company, not the FBI, and certainly not the NSA. The reason you cannot provide documents that say otherwise is that they don't exist. The reason those documents don't exist is that the program that you've described is a conspiracy theory fiction.

https://www.cnet.com/news/no-evidence-of-nsas-direct-access-...

Can you give an example of a PRISM request being appealed?

Also, that article is entirely around a quote from Clapper's office that the NSA "does not unilaterally obtain information from the servers of U.S. electronic communication service providers", which we found out literally weeks after that article was openly a lie, at least because of the MUSCULAR program. Like Clapper has openly perjured himself on the specifics of some of these programs.

More recent article about Clapper's perjury on these matters: https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2018/01/19/james-clap...

> The reason those documents don't exist is that the program that you've described is a conspiracy theory fiction.

PRISM was once told to be a conspiracy theory fiction

They were both compromised, and being coaxed into collaboration.

It was on the powerpoint in the leak with the list of "industry partners"

As stated by Monocasa above, Google was double penetrated by MUSCULAR and PRISM:

PRISM for semi legal metadata access

And MUSCULAR for whatever they did not get with above

The NSA literally dug a hole in the ground via Level 3 to get into that network.

That isn't collaboration.

Was/is there any US corp not cooperating?
Yes, Qwest (the telecom, formerly US West) resisted and fought tooth and nail to not cooperate.

Their CEO was prosecuted to hell and back for daring to do this, and the company was forced to sell to a competitor. Nobody even remembers his name anymore, few people even remember Qwest.

His name is Joseph Nacchio. If this story is true (and it has been around for many years), he is a hero for standing up for transparent governance, and the privacy of Qwest's customers.
I don't know anything about it, but I think there may still be related litigation going on.

Edit: maybe not. Wikipedia says he was convicted in 2007. However, I was given an NDA regarding something that sounded related at some point after that, so...

Naccchio and Qwest aquired US West.

You skipped the part where he acquired a competitor under false accounting, contributing to monopolization, as dumping his stock with irregular sales while to profit from value NSA contracts before the public knew they were canceled. Should a CEO make a fortune selling stock while the company loses 90% of its market cap?

Yeah it's funny how he was the only corrupt CEO in all of corporate America during that time. So weird how nobody else besides him and Martha Stewart ever got prosecuted for insider trading despite it happening ALL THE TIME EVERY DAY EVERYWHERE.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qwest#Refusal_of_NSA_surveilla...

> Former Qwest CEO Joseph Nacchio, alleged in appeal documents that the NSA requested that Qwest participate in its wiretapping program more than six months before September 11, 2001. Nacchio recalls the meeting as occurring on February 27, 2001. Nacchio further claims that the NSA cancelled a lucrative contract with Qwest as a result of Qwest's refusal to participate in the wiretapping program. Nacchio surrendered April 14, 2009 to a federal prison camp in Schuylkill, Pennsylvania to begin serving a six-year sentence for an insider trading conviction. The United States Supreme Court denied bail pending appeal the same day.

> NSA cancelled a lucrative contract

He was happy to get paid hundreds of millions of dollars for spying on his customers, but didn't want to spy on his customers? What did he think those contracts were for?

> What did he think those contracts were for?

Maybe internet transit or MPLS services, which were the company’s core product?

I won’t argue for a second that he was a good guy, but CEOs rarely get involved in the details of customer contracts. Especially in giant telcos.

Feels like there's a lesson in this story.
I don't know what the lesson is after reading his wikipedia page. His refusal to cooperate with the NSA seems like a non-sequitur as a response to the whole insider trading and fraud thing. I mean, if the prosecution was revenge, well, ok, but I can't connect the dots to how that makes him not guilty.
Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity (it is not stupidity, but more not thinking it through).