[objclxt]

> I’m not aware VP is a mid level management job

A lot of companies (especially finance) suffer from title inflation, and also flip Director and VP (i.e, Director is a higher rank than VP).

For example, at Goldman Sachs 30% of all employees are Vice Presidents.

[kjs3]

Yeah, I work at a bank. The VP track is often on an 'Officer of the Company' track (Officer, Associate VP, VP, Senior VP, etc). Then there's the 'Job Title' track (Manager, Senior Manager, Director, Senior Director, Executive Director, etc). Usually, you have to be a minimum job title for certain officer title, but less the other way. So you can have a Manager who is a VP and a Director that's a AVP, but not a Manager that's a Senior VP. In any case, the job title is what gives you rank, and officer title is honorary.

Other places do weirder things. I have a buddy at an insurance company who's a "Second VP" and is basically an "Assistant CIO". Never figured that out.

[ferzul]

i didn't understand that at all. i thought a director is a person elected by shareholders onto the board of directors. but i normally work for small companies!

[kjs3]

It is that, too. Welcome to the totally non-standard world of job titles.

[kelnos]

In most companies, it's both. On the employee side (non-finance) you have things like Manager -> Director -> VP -> C-level (often with "Senior" versions of some of those), but then the people who serve on the board are also called Directors.

[yazan94]

+1. In Morgan Stanley, the title/promotion hierarchy is associate -> vice president -> executive director -> managing director. You can get VP within 5 years or so.