[greenyoda]

> And to top it off, he is not very productive — our junior engineers are lapping him on tickets closed.

Tech leads have responsibilities that junior engineers don't have, such as architectural design, code review, mentoring junior developers, meeting with management and other groups, etc. Thus, they might spend less time on programming than junior developers and close fewer tickets. They might also be working on more complex tickets that take longer to close. (Of course, your lead might still be a lousy developer, but counting closed tickets is not a good measure of his productivity.)

> I am super annoyed because I have to fix this guys bugs, and ACTUALLY do the technical leading myself — yet I get no credit. I’m ready to quit this job or make some kind of lateral move to another team. What should I do?

Look for a new job, either on another team or at a different company. When asked why you're looking for a new job, definitely don't say your tech lead is an idiot. Talk about how you're looking for an opportunity grow your career and take on more responsibility.

[httgp]

> definitely don't say your tech lead is an idiot

I’m curious to know why you recommend this. The poster should perhaps not use those same words, but isn’t it worthwhile giving honest feedback?

[jlokier]

The poster thinks the tech lead is in idiot partly based on the fact the tech lead doesn't close as many tickets as juniors.

Any good interviewer will figure this out if it's mentioned.

Then they will know the poster doesn't know as much as they think they do about the job of a tech lead, and that they jump to damning conclusions from dubious judgement. This correlates with "this person may be challenging to work with", which matters a lot.

They might still get the job, but it's not an advantage.

Instead, why not start a constructive discussion with the interviewer about how they found the way work was done disappointing at the last job and would like to know how things are performed in the new one, or if going for a lead job, how they envisage going about the lead role.

[bjourne]

You are yourself jumping to damning conclusions about the OP, a person you don't know anything about except for what is written in his or her question. It is entirely possible that the OP is right and that the tech lead is an idiot. That is a valid reason for wanting to switch jobs.

[croo]

Regardless what the truth is its a good idea not to criticise, condemn or complain about anyone on an interview.

[jlokier]

While I'm prepared to believe you, looking at my comment it doesn't seem that way to me. Out of interest, which damning conclusion do you think I've reached about the OP?

I've avoided saying anything about whether the OP is right about whether their tech lead is an idiot.

The only conclusion about the OP I see is "The poster thinks the tech lead is in idiot partly based on the fact the tech lead doesn't close as many tickets as juniors."

I think that's a simple implication from the OP writing "he is not very productive — our junior engineers are lapping him on tickets closed".

All the rest of my comment is about how an interviewer might likely think if that were said in the manner discussed; it's not about the OP.

[bjourne]

> While I'm prepared to believe you, looking at my comment it doesn't seem that way to me. Out of interest, which damning conclusion do you think I've reached about the OP?

1. That the OP doesn't know as much as they think they do about the job of a tech lead. 2. That the OP is jumping to damning conclusions from dubious judgement. 3. That #1 and #2 correlates with being "challenging to work with."

[jlokier]

Thanks.

#1-3 are about how the interviewer will likely think if the discussed remark is said in an interview; they are not my conclusions about the OP.

It would have been more accurate if I'd stated that was a risk being taken by the OP in the interview rather than a certainty. Though I expect that would have made the point less clear to most readers.

#3 correlates with #2 (not #1), and this relation is not specific to the OP.

#2 may not be true of the OP, but an interviewer who thinks it based on things said in the interview, is likely to think #3 follows.

This is a risk the OP is advised not to take if they are trying to make a favourable impression.

[AznHisoka]

..and any interviewer could jump to the same exact conclusions. They are human after all. Why risk that?

[aprdm]

Just like OP is jumping to the conclusion that the lead is an idiot when he probably has very zero idea of what his lead actually does or what a lead developer does.

[flinmaster]

When I'm interviewing people, if they start to bad mouth a past employer I immediately write them off. There are ways to bring up issues with a past employer that isn't bad mouthing. If a candidate doesn't say anything about a past employer, I know that it wasn't good and respect they don't bad mouth.

[harshalizee]

Mostly because OP will come across as unprofessional badmouthing his colleagues. Not saying the tech lead is not an idiot, but we only get OP's perspective and will just come off as a whiner if he rants about someone else instead of showcasing himself in an interview

[dasil003]

As a hiring manager, if a candidate says something bad about a previous colleague how can that be judged in a vacuum? If somehow the HM were omniscient, there are two possibilities: either they deem the candidates' conclusion as justified or not. Bias aside, that's a 50% chance that you're making yourself look like an idiot instead of the person you're bad-mouthing. Even if you dodge that bullet, what's the upside? You have a justifiable reason for leaving your last job—that's it—but the interviewer is also wondering if you're going to be bad-mouthing the first person you disagree with on the job.

You can still be honest without getting personal: say that you felt your work wasn't recognized or growth opportunities were lacking, etc. Those could be red flags too, but they at least give the interviewer some signal on your personality/expectations without conflating overtly negative interpersonal issues which really can only make you look bad.

[quickthrower2]

I’d frame it as “I have been sharing tech lead responsibilities with my boss, and now I am looking to move into a full time tech lead position”. Don’t mention the boss being in any way bad, unless you need to explain a really short stint, in which case be tactful.

[tanseydavid]

"Don't flip the Bozo-bit" -Jim McCarthy

[greenyoda]

Explanation of the "Bozo bit" reference, for those who haven't read McCarthy's book: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bozo_bit#Dismissing_a_person_a...