[Callmenorm]

I think e-bikes will be very successful, but you have to get the product into the people's hands. It's hard to know what an e-bike is like until you try it. They are so fun, and getting fresh air will almost certainly make you more happy.

But trying to convince people of that without putting them on an e-bike is kind of hard.

[sailfast]

Agreed, especially given the 2-4K you have to plonk down on some of these things. They sound great, but I haven't yet used them. The money thing is a barrier, and I'm a one-car family looking for options.

For that kind of money, you're buying a pretty solid scooter or a cheap car. Nevermind if you want a cargo bike or Bakfiets. Having the infrastructure / city planning to make this worthwhile is definitely an important second part. I'm not going to park a $4K bike just anywhere.