[acemarke]

FWIW, our recommendation has always been to focus on learning React first, and _then_ learn Redux once you're comfortable with React. That minimizes the number of new concepts you're learning at once, clarifies the differences between what React and Redux are and how to use them, and helps show why Redux might be useful alongside React.

[freehunter]

Which leads nicely back to my statement of

>What I hear from the Redux devs does not in any way line up with what I heard from Brad Traversy or Stephen Grider

This perception will continue (and only get worse) the more junior devs are educated in trainings/bootcamps that require Redux in your first project. This is the reason so many people have such negative reactions to Redux, they're not yet comfortable with React (which is a new way of thinking by itself) before Redux is added into the mix and it gets very overwhelming very quickly.