[smadurange]

I can't see how these accidents point to cheap incompetent labour unless you are saying that the product managers, chief engineers, principal engineers are being outsourced.

Are you saying that a plane that tends to tilt up dangerously under certain conditions that is designed to be pushed down nose first by a software with no limit to how much it'll push down depending on a single sensor would have been an acceptable solution if the workers were different? This is a problem with the design and definition of a large system rather than the implementation.

So, I think in this case, whoever had any knowledge of this at any level and let it go through are absolutely responsible. While outsourcing to cheap labour elsewhere can and often does become a problem,these crashes can't be attributed to that. This was a very specific failure with very specific people in the wrong.

[inferiorhuman]

Are you saying that a plane that tends to tilt up dangerously under certain conditions that is designed to be pushed down nose first by a software with no limit to how much it'll push down depending on a single sensor would have been an acceptable solution if the workers were different?

With different engineers and a focus on product versus profit the MAX never would've seen the light of day. With the focus on outsourcing Boeing had a gigantic mess on their hands with the 787 (and 777X) and no resources to focus on getting a 737 replacement to market.