[ChuckNorris89]

The whole fear of outsourcing is a myth companies use to deregulate immigration and it needs to stop being used as fear mongering to justify lax regulations.

If outsourcing was so good why hasn't all of SV packed and moved abroad already to cheap countries or even to cheaper states in the US instead of offering insane salaries at home?

Companies stay in the west because of the ecosystem comprised of stable government, generous financing and skilled workforce.

[hos234]

If Airbus wants to hire 300 software engineers, good luck finding them in reasonable time periods in Germany or France. Local small niche firms can survive. The larger you get the longer it takes to hit hiring goal.

You will understand that only after you spend time actually hiring people. Telling the boss well I can't do this locally in 3 months, I need 6 plus a budget to relocate people from other EU locations will just get you laughed out of the room for the simple reason someone else in the org has already done it through outsourcing and importing people.

> Companies stay in the west because of the ecosystem comprised of stable government, financing and skilled workforce

This is probably 10-15 year old rhetoric that isnt true anymore. There are now dozens of hubs worldwide that make it simple to hire large number of people fast. Just make a trip and look at the scale at which they function.

The EU is doing the right thing by trying to pull more people in.

[ChuckNorris89]

>If Airbus wants to hire 300 software engineers, good luck finding them in reasonable time periods in Germany or France.

Airbus can't find 300 engineers in Germany and France? Come on! More like Airbus can't find 300 engineers in Germany and France willing to work for peanuts. It's always the last part that gets lost in the translation.

Has Airbus thought about training said engineers instead of expecting them to magic themselves out of thin air whenever they're needed? Looking at their margins it's not like they can't afford it.

>The EU is doing the right thing by trying to pull more people in.

The EU is doing the right thing for Airbus shareholders, not for the local workforce.

[hos234]

:) You will find Airbus managers who agree with you BUT they compete for reaources with Airbus managers who don't.

This is an old debate and it's more or less a settled one in large orgs with large requirements whether in US or EU - the managers who don't care how they meet their goals win. You don't have to believe me, you just need to spend time talking to people who have run large teams in the EU and ask them how they survive.

The world is not getting any less competitive and mgmt in large orgs spend most of their day reacting rather than proactively doing anything. Smaller orgs it's easier but again they too are under pressure in different ways.

During this phase where many things are in flux and unstable it's a safer bet to move to where the jobs are then expecting the govt or corp s to do anything radical. They are too trapped even if they have competent ppl...anyway that's just my experience and opinion and I hope I am wrong.

[pnako]

> If Airbus wants to hire 300 software engineers, good luck finding them in reasonable time periods in Germany or France.

Are you serious? Countries with traditions of engineering going back centuries, with some of the best schools in the field, will have trouble to find... 300 software engineers?

[echaozh]

300 unemployed engineers, or you're just moving the hiring problem to the smaller companies with their engineers suddenly gone.

[thrower123]

Because outsourcing fails and is abandoned after two or three years, when the real costs have become apparent. The bastards that thought it up have moved up and out on the strengths of the initial cost savings by the time those chickens come home to roost.

You don't have to see this kind of cycle too many times before you get a little cynical.

[d44m]

I've been in the IT industry for close to 20 years now. Outsourcing as a factor is not significant in project failures.

Also, most outsourcing companies have been around for a while and are doing fairly well.

[jfim]

Outsourcing of IT duties (helpdesk, etc.) or outsourcing of software development? Those two are very different.