[autoexec]

> Indeed. People fear monger about the police's ability to request footage from a neighborhood (key point being request, the owner of the Ring still gets to look at the footage and decide to release it or not).

If you refuse to give police the video they can just request from amazon directly. You don't get to control what happens to that video once it touches amazon's servers. Once the police have it they can keep it forever, share it with others (like ICE or the FBI), and once again you have no control. Amazon tracks people who refuse to hand over video to the police directly and they share stats about them with police.

[megascone]

> Amazon tracks people who refuse to hand over video to the police directly and they share stats about them with police.

What are you talking about?

[autoexec]

https://gizmodo.com/ring-gave-police-stats-about-users-who-s...

As discussed here not that long ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21346307

[ehsankia]

Sounds a little misleading. I'm not sure that most people would feel violated due to being included in a "2% of users pressed Do Not Share button" statistics. It's not like Ring is giving actual user data or any way for the police to pin point said users.

[autoexec]

Police get actual user data when users agree to submit video to them, they know that requests are sent to every user within a certain range of the location they choose, and they often know exactly who has the cameras installed in that area (because the cameras were sold/installed by them or purchased using taxpayer-funded discount programs or just by driving past and looking at the doors). If you refuse to share the data but most of your neighbors do it would not be hard for them to narrow down which houses didn't.

[ehsankia]

So you're saying that the cops are spending all their time driving down every street in the neighborhood, memorizing the position of Ring cameras, then correlating those with videos they received and eliminating until they pin point the one house that refused to share the video, all for what? I can understand general paranoia about the police but that's some next level tin-foil hat stuff.

[autoexec]

They don't have to drive down the street to memorize the locations of ring cams. They already know who has them. Hell, amazon gave them a map (https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/2019-12-03-amazon-ring-v...). I don't think every police officer is going to take the time to track down every camera over a package thief, but I do agree with the EFF that it'd be very very easy for police to take note of individuals and neighborhoods who habitually refuse to give them video and that any interactions with them could be influenced by a perception that they are "uncooperative" or "unsupportive of the police"