[jedberg]

You can't make a security feature with a backdoor, or it's not security feature anymore. I'm with Apple on this. They really have no way of knowing that you're selling/giving away the phone, so they can't have the phone tell you to unlock.

That's really on the buyer. They need to know about getting the seller to reset.

Right now Sprint is running a deal where they give you a new phone if you turn in the old one. In very big bold letters, they explain that if the phone arrives locked, they will send it back and then charge you the full price of your new phone and shipping your old one back.

That's the right way for a reseller to handle this.

[dwild]

> They really have no way of knowing that you're selling/giving away the phone, so they can't have the phone tell you to unlock.

They have a way to contacting the owner to remove the lock. Why don't they do allow that? That would even allow to get back the device for the original owner.

The issue here is that Apple doesn't works toward making it harder to steal, they works toward making it harder to resell.

[izacus]

> You can't make a security feature with a backdoor, or it's not security feature anymore.

Why are you so 100% sure that there's no way that Apple could design a system to keep it secure and allow recycling? There's hundreds of ways they could design their security flow where recycling is possible.

[gruez]

>Why are you so 100% sure that there's no way that Apple could design a system to keep it secure and allow recycling? There's hundreds of ways they could design their security flow where recycling is possible.

Can you list some of them? How would you prevent unscrupulous recylers from turning into fences for stolen macs?

[FarAdvance4]

Not even just the recycling business owner. Hire Joe over here, he works there, learns the systems and how to unlock the devices legitimately.

What happens when he leaves, or is fired, or decides he's going to make some side money...

[shkkmo]

You have a system that allows the recycler to indirectly contact the device owner and offer them a choice of having the device returned or a small iTunes credit provided in return for the device being unlocked.

Everyone wins. More stolen devices returned less electronic waste in the landfill.

[jedberg]

> Why are you so 100% sure that there's no way that Apple could design a system to keep it secure and allow recycling?

Math. Math tells me that is impossible. It's basic cryptography. Adding a second key that someone else has makes it inherently insecure.

[faitswulff]

I guess my point in my response to your other comment was that iCloud already has a second key.