[goatinaboat]

It’s not bias, it’s experience.

TCS is a strategic partner for projects like the British Rail Network.

That project is a disaster of overblown budgets and under delivery. Like everything these companies touch. But the imaginary savings earned a few Western managers big bonuses before they quickly moved on before the chickens came home to roost.

[r_singh]

In that case, TCS will pay a price for it in the long run.

[goatinaboat]

They will not, the British taxpayers will, just as for every project outsourced to Tata, Capita, or anywhere else.

Every penny of revenue earned by those companies is by fraud.

[GordonS]

You've got to wonder when the government continually awards huge projects to the same outsourcing firms time after time, and time after time the project is either a total failure or not fit for purpose, and it's delivered years late at a multiple of the original price. And the next big project that comes along? They'll award it to one of the same companies again, and they'll get the same outcome again.

There simply has to be some major skullduggery afoot.

The internal GDS seem to be bucking the trend, delivering good services and contributing to OSS. Surely this demonstrates that an internal team is a better way? Even if they don't deliver entire projects themselvea, they could lead them from a requirements, architect and tech perspective, and have sway over which firm gets the outsourced part.

[r_singh]

Not sure what your definition of fraud is (for me it's more like what the British India company did). Wining a tender process that probably needs fixing (because it's obsolete) is not fraud.

[close04]

Doing it with the intention of underdelivering and ballooning costs and time to make more money is fraud though. And make no mistake, no outsourcing company goes to a tender intending to be on time and on budget. It’s not good business for them.

[r_singh]

And just how commonly do we see such[1] fraud across any business or industry?

Cough, pharmaceutical cos, doctors, social media & search giants, car manufacturing giants. Any of these ring a bell?

[1]As in, the above (your) definition of fraud i.e. misleading customers, by deliberately under delivering and over promising. With this definition, many businesses and accepted practices are fraud.

IMO, true fraud is what VW with their cheating device. Facebook did with integrating WhatsApp profiles. Theranos did with fake IP. Opioid manufacturers do by indirectly incentivising doctors. Don't you think so too?

[goatinaboat]

Theranos did with fake IP

Yes, I agree that Tata and similar companies are on the level of Theranos.

[close04]

Your argument is "it's not fraud because others do it"? Yes, going forward knowing full well that you have no intention of fulfilling your promises is fraud regardless of "whatabout those guys".

You have at least a dozen comments on this thread defending these practices and pointing fingers at the likes of Theranos as if that's a good justification. If someone needs Theranos to look good they must be pretty shady. Your line of argumentation sounds very biased.

[hereiskkb]

That is just whataboutism. "What about this field?" "What about that cos?"

All of it is fraud. Regardless. Promising results with the intention of not sticking to it is fraud.