[TeMPOraL]

> Anything anti-China gets buried or discredited or shouted down using whataboutisms.

Interesting. The only time I see whataboutism and China/Russia brought up in the same HN thread is when somebody tries to defend China/Russia by pointing out similar problems in the West, and that person gets shouted down and accused of engaging in "whataboutism".

[Eldt]

Sounds like you're describing the same thing. I've seen many comments defend China and try to turn attention towards actions done by the US.

[yters]

What US actions are equivalent to China? If you were in China could you make the same argument regarding Chinese actions?

[TeMPOraL]

I initially read kkarakk's comment as a reverse of what I wrote, but even if we're talking the same, I personally believe that any and all accusations of whataboutism are just thought-terminating cliches and are invalid from the start.

[esailija]

It's not to defend China/Russia but to prove that the accuser is not interested in the problem itself but only in weaponizing the problem against those countries. Defense is not necessary or actually even possible since the claims are always made without any evidence.

[ViViDboarder]

Exactly. Someone responding to something shitty one person does by pointing out something someone else did is attempting to “shout down” the original comment with whataboutisms.