[forgotmypwd123]

>Last week we made an important decision for our community. We removed a moderator for repeatedly violating our existing Code of Conduct and being unwilling to accept our CM’s repeated requests to change their behavior.

Hang on a sec...

>their behaviour.

Wasn't monica fired for suggesting she used gender neutral pronouns generally? Because they said she should use the preferred gender specific pronoun when known?

And now "Sara Chipps" is doing exactly that?!

[MauranKilom]

>Wasn't monica fired for suggesting she used gender neutral pronouns generally?

It's more nuanced from what I understand^. I gather that Monica expressed the desire to find an alternative to using singular they - such as universally using pronoun-free language. Mind you, this was all in discussing a future code of conduct change and its eventual enforcement.

The topic is just very delicate, and in my eyes there is no line that you can draw where both sides are univerally happy. Words spoken/written with the best intentions and utmost respect can still leave others feel hurt or insulted, simply because there are no objective answers to certain differences in perception.

^I am not privy to "insider" info, but I have followed the situation closely and consumed most of what has been said on the metas publicly (outside of chat rooms).

[flippinburgers]

As I understand it she wanted to avoid using any specifically gendered pronoun and be general in her responses, but was told that she must use the preferred pronoun. Totally draconian if you ask me.

[Causality1]

That's incredible if true. I've never cared about often being misgendered on the internet. I've also never cared what gender a stranger on the internet is. If I know their gender I might use it but I could also easily forget what they are or mix them up with someone else. Nor do I care if someone mistakes what country I'm from or what political party I vote for. These facts are immutable and no number of mistaken netizens can change them.

[flippinburgers]

What is even more interesting is that this happened because of a CoC that is not even yet in place.

[keanzu]

Sounds like compelled speech

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compelled_speech

[jodrellblank]

> Wasn't monica fired for suggesting she used gender neutral pronouns generally?

In the comments to the linked question, Monica Cellio says StackOverflow have not told her what parts of the CoC she was violating. I don't think it's public knowledge why she was demodded.

(Is 'fired' an appropriate word to use, when Monica wasn't an employee?)

[detaro]

The most direct statement seems to be from https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/10/01/stack_exchange_cont...

> Asked to confirm that Cellio was the moderator in question, a company spokesperson said, "Cellio (she/her) would not use stated pronouns, which violates our current CoC …

[lesstenseflow]

Also from that article:

> Cellio, for what it's worth, does not include any preferred pronouns on her Twitter account.

Yet, when they refer to her, Stack Exchange puts pronouns next to her name, clearly against her own “preferences.” It’s like they’re literally forcing onto her an ideology or worldview which they know she does not share.

What bizarre, hypocritical, vindictive behavior from Stack Exchange.

[matheusmoreira]

> (Is 'fired' an appropriate word to use, when Monica wasn't an employee?)

Ben Noordhuis wasn't an employee of Joyent either but that didn't stop them from symbolically firing him:

> While we would fire Ben over this, node.js is an open source project and one doesn't necessarily have the same levers.

https://www.joyent.com/blog/the-power-of-a-pronoun

[goatinaboat]

we made an important decision for our community

It’s interesting that “we”, “our” and “community” in that quote all don’t mean what they seem. “We” are the farmers and “community” are the sheep, is what she means.

[kichik]

They listened and changed it to

> that behavior

[kichik]

Oh it's actually worse than that. The original said:

> the behavior

Some user named Tim changed it to "their".

Full history @ https://meta.stackexchange.com/posts/334248/revisions

Why would they let random people edit such a post? So weird...

[etchalon]

That random person probably had the permission level to edit posts.

That’s how SO works.