[zaarn]

Free speech in Germany is not based on the same definition as free speech in the US. The constitution and the BGB/StGB outline fairly clearly what is and isn't illegal hate speech and what is free speech. You have a right to free speech but no right to hate speech, simple as that. Here Gab is in clear violation of NetzDG and Hatespeech Laws with no Provider Privilege. (I'm also German and I recently visited a law course for a semester at my Uni, so I'm familiar with the basics)

The only people that seem to really have an issue with our current hatespeech laws are the AfD fraction in the Bundestag.

[s9w]

I think free speech is usually seen in a non-national context in a sense of "you can say whatever you want. No exceptions". So Germany does not have that at all.

"Hatespeech" on top of the "legal"/national definitions for what is sometimes also called free speech (but isn't at all) are just contraptions to censor people, usually the political opposition.

[zaarn]

If "you can say whatever you want. No exceptions" is your definition of free speech it doesn't exist. ANYWHERE. Not even in the US. All speech in all countries has restrictions.

The US has slander, for example, which can certainly land you fines or jail time. Lying in certain circumstances too.

>are just contraptions to censor people, usually the political opposition.

Which political opposition is being censored in Germany that isn't just a reincarnation of the NPD/PEGIDA/MLPD? And please don't bring up anything that is a decision by a private entity, they can "censor" all they like and it wouldn't violate any free speech laws at all.

[s9w]

I didn't say that ideal exists anywhere. The US certainly gets much closer than any European countries I know.

Many German citizens have been raided, sued, fined, jailed or otherwise silenced because they criticized the current government, in particular the political decisions since 2015. Many people are opposed to that. And most of them are not of the group you mentioned.

[zaarn]

I know plenty of people who critized the government for decisions around and after 2015, publicly even, and none of them were raided, sued, fined or jailed for it.

Maybe these people are actually in the groups and just employ the standard tactic of claiming to be a lone wolf when asked.

[s9w]

> I know plenty of people who critized the government for decisions around and after 2015, publicly even, and none of them were raided, sued, fined or jailed for it.

That doesn't mean that these things don't happen. Just one recent example:

https://www.einprozent.de/blog/meinungsfreiheit/friedlicher-...

or this:

https://www.vice.com/de/article/8xe7jg/kuchen-tv-volksverhet...

[zaarn]

Your first link goes to a blog that's operated by a known right-wing extremist who is part of the Neuen Rechten and the AfD. The second link is some youtuber doing something that is either extremely dumb or very right-wing and rightfully earned him a visit at the nearest courthouse.

[DanBC]

> "you can say whatever you want. No exceptions"

Does anywhere have that? The US certainly doesn't.