[markc]

False. What he said:

"Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came then come back and show us how it is done. These places need your help badly, you can’t leave fast enough."

We don't need your absurd spin to tell us what he "really meant".

[scarface74]

Well, seeing that out of the four people he attacked, three were born in this country, where were they suppose to go back to?

[lostmymind66]

Actually, what you said is much more eloquent than what I said. He is saying to go back, learn from your experience and come back and show us how it's done. Nothing racist about it.

Much different that the simpleton narrative going around that he said "go back where you came from".

it's crazy to me that anyone would vote for someone that has a proven track record of hating the US and everything it stands for, let alone 4 people.

It doesn't really matter though. In the latest polling, all 4 have such low approval ratings, they will be gone in the next voting cycle.

After hearing this, I actually have hope for our future.

[markc]

Trump is so eloquent, yet you feel the need to double down on your spin to help him out?

And talk about simpleton narratives, only a simpleton would swallow whole the idea that trump was just making a sincere plea for gathering and sharing expertise.

You are correct that it was a slight variant on "go back where you came from". His twist included a sneering challenge, the equivalent of "if you're so smart.." So he can combine a racist trope with a schoolyard taunt and that's plenty to disguise it for you. Sad.

Your interpretation of the 4 as "hating the US" stands in direct contradiction to their unwavering statement of love of country with a commitment to improve the US. "They hate the US" is another trope to "other" those who disagree with you. Would you like me to rattle off a list of a dozen ways in which Trump clearly hates our country? It's easy.

Only the gullible take polling data directly from Trump's mouth. The poll showed the 4 are unpopular with 'whites with less than 2 years of college'. Didn't bother to look that up, did you? They're as popular as ever - with those that elected them, and will likely do so again, so go back to hopelessness.

[lostmymind66]

'And talk about simpleton narratives, only a simpleton would swallow whole the idea that trump was just making a sincere plea for gathering and sharing expertise.

No politician is sincere and I'm not the one spreading simpleton narratives, like the left-leaning media, which seems to be the case most of the time.

"So he can combine a racist trope with a schoolyard taunt and that's plenty to disguise it for you. Sad."

So would you consider calling for the destruction of an entire country mostly made up of one religion/ethnicity racist/bigoted?

"Your interpretation of the 4 as "hating the US" stands in direct contradiction to their unwavering statement of love of country with a commitment to improve the US"

So let me get this straight:

If I:

1) say I love the country

and

2) am liberal

It means I love the country? Now who's fooled?

"They hate the US" is another trope to "other" those who disagree with you. Would you like me to rattle off a list of a dozen ways in which Trump clearly hates our country? It's easy."

TDS is strong with you. You seem to inject race and racism into everything..which isn't healthy.

Protecting US citizens and creating a growing economy with one of the lowest unemployment rates in decades doesn't look like 'hate' to me.

"They're as popular as ever - with those that elected them, and will likely do so again, so go back to hopelessness."

...with morons. They are all fucking idiots. You really need to admit this or we can't really have a conversation. I'm also not hopeless. I'm living a great life. If a crazy gets elected here, I will just get citizenship elsewhere.

I actually am not a big Trump supporter, but because of people like you and the constant hatred and censorship from the Left, I will never vote for a Democrat again.

Many people are now waking up to these gestapo tactics

[markc]

I suppose you heard from the right wing echo chamber that Tlaib called for the destruction of Israel and just passed that lie along uncritically as though it were a call for bombing or overthrow. Do your homework. It was actually a call for unification.

I showed that the accusation "hates the US" is an simplistic and empty claim without details. Provide some evidence of this hate. Of course I don't accept claims of patriotism uncritically. I listen, and understand, and then judge. You should try it.

You fail to admit your error in trusting Trump's claim about polls and resort instead to profane insults. You don't like their politics, fine. Criticize that.

How about proving you're not such a big Trump supporter. What don't you like? You downplay his racism, repeat his claims, and puff up his resume. Or is that just defensiveness?

Regarding censorship and gestapo tactics - I was not aware that the left was constantly denigrating and the free press and occasionally threatening it. I wasn't aware that the left was caging people without trial.

I will give you one thing. Hate of Trump is indeed off the charts. He's blamed for everything under the sun and some of it is ridiculous. Of course that's irritating. You must realize that Obama experienced it too. Irrational partisans should be ignored. They are uninterested in rational discourse.

Trump's racism is a complicated thing. He's not a neo-nazi style racist who openly proclaims his white supremacy. He seems to like and admire many successful black folk. He may not even believe in the inherent superiority of all whites, so I understand anger over simplistic attacks that assume racism is a binary. It is not.

Don't you see though, that Trump uses the coded language of racism? The dog whistles, the disclaimers of modern racism? Most Republicans now accept that overt racism is widely reviled and so those few who are very racist or the many that pander to racists, have learned a coded, subtler style. Trump is testing the boundaries to see how close he can come to old-school overt racism without more of his own party turning against him.

Don't let a reaction to the worst elements of the left force you into a box. You may be surprised that when you get past the surface noise, there is much of value to be gained by understanding the full worldview, the values and assumptions of the other side. You may not agree, but at least you'll be judging based on substance, not an uncritical acceptance of claims made by right wingers.