[crimsonalucard]

What do we expect? If your purpose in life was found to be a total lie. Do you bury the truth and deny it to yourself and the world? Or do you commit suicide?

Every fossil fuel company is going to lie their pants off because that's what you and all other humans would do if they got into the same situation.

[reitanqild]

> Every fossil fuel company is going to lie their pants off because that's what you and all other humans would do if they got into the same situation.

Speak for yourself.

1. A good number of people actually have a spine. I'd not say the majority "is good && have a spine" but enough that you are lying.

2. It doesn't help at all to spread the lie that everyone else lying.

Speaking as someone who has been embarassingly honest, and who also admires his friend who came back and admitted he'd been laughing at me behind my back.

[crimsonalucard]

Speak for myself? I speak for humanity. And did you just call me a liar? Maybe a better way to disagree with me is to say you think I'm mistaken than to call me a liar.

What do you think religion is except for one big lie? Muslims and Christian's can't both be right, either one of them is right or neither of them. That puts a major portion of the world population gauraunteed to be delusional. Delusional behavior as a corporation like Exxon follows. This is logic you can't deny it.

You apparently are better than most humans since you brag about your ability to be embarrassingly honest.

[reitanqild]

History is full of people who faced severe consequences or even death instead of lying. What you said was literally (emphasis mine):

> that's what you and all other humans would do if they got into the same situation.

Which is literally false if history books and court records are to be belived.

As for religion, people can both be honest and mistaken.

Honesty is about intent, not about being verifyable true.

So while two must be technically wrong, honest Muslims and honest Christians might very well co-exist with honest Atheists.

[crimsonalucard]

Social sciences and questions about how a mass population would behave are always fuzzy. Some people would and some people wouldn't. My argument is that most people would lie to others and themselves, so much so that it encompasses the greater majority. Although I said all people, I would argue that common sense implies the phrase "almost all" because such absolute answers don't exist in the social sciences or sciences in general.

Also I didn't emphasize hard choices involving death. I was referring to life's work. Something you believed to be true your entire life and suddenly you have to give it all up because it's not true. (Think religion and evolution). There are examples of people slowly accepting the truth rather than instantly but even those are few and far in between. To maintain the illusion people build scaffolds like intelligent design to make sure their old frameworks fit the new ones.

I'm not talking about coexistence either. There is no need to bring that topic up. The only fact to support my thesis here is that part of the population is verfiably delusional for sure.

I also disagree with you about honesty. It's more complex than that. People can lie to themselves. Their biases can mold their behavior to the point where they deny logic. One religion must be wrong and those people will fight to the death for their beliefs just like how a fossil fuel company must be wrong and they will fight to the deaths for their beliefs.

[dunstad]

Where is option 3, come clean, change their ways and work to correct the damage? Why are 'lie' and 'kill themselves' more obvious?

[crimsonalucard]

Option 3 is what people admire but it is not human behavior. Throughout history people and corporations have chosen to lie to themselves and others rather than accept a cold hard truth.

[dunstad]

Sounds like the profit motive has some significant issues.

[esailija]

Even if a fossil fuel company did the right thing, unfortunately all it takes is another fossil fuel company doing the wrong thing so that the end result is the same. The only difference is that the companies who did the right thing just get screwed. You need regulation to force every company to do the right thing so that no 1 company can screw it for everyone else.

[crimsonalucard]

Honestly you won't even find one fossil fuel company that will admit it. It's not human nature to do this. The data shows this both among people and corporations.

You are correct, regulation is the only path forward. The problem is, when you give too much freedom to a capitalistic society, the major capitalists aka corporations seem to take control. The corporations in turn take their power and influence the very regulatory bodies that are suppose to keep them in check.