[debatem1]

Not remotely. You can buy a truly fast car-- 200mph fast-- for under $20,000 pretty easily. If you're willing to wrench on it you can get sub-4 seconds to 60 for under $15,000. That kind of performance would have been supercar territory not too long ago, and would certainly count as nice cars today. At below $100,000 I could name a dozen cars that offer a combination of great looks and incredible performance.

[twic]

debatem1 uses Arch, btw.

[debatem1]

Pardon? I'm not clear on why I'm being downvoted, and I don't use arch, and I don't see why that would be relevant.

[twic]

Arch Linux is popular with users who will endure some discomfort and manual work to get a powerful and satisfying experience. I thought it would be funny to baselessly assert a connection.

Gentoo would have been an even better analogy.

[debatem1]

Welllll I did run Gentoo some years ago, so... not that baseless :). But you really don't have to work hard to get a quite nice (but not world-beating) car for $20k.

[honkycat]

You are being downvoted because nice != fast so it comes off as a bit off topic.

My original comment was pointing out the disparity between a nice car and a nice laptop. Even a 20k car is at least 5x the cost of a top of the line laptop.

[debatem1]

Ok. Your claim was a few hundred thousand dollar difference; I suppose we could quibble about what constitutes a nice car, but >$100,000 buys you a Z-06 or a Jaguar XJ. It's quite the exaggeration, unless your tastes run very extreme. To which I say: the only nice computer is a Cray :).

[Sohcahtoa82]

To get to 200 mph, you're probably gonna need about 600 horsepower, give or take depending on aerodynamics. How are you finding 600 horsepower for under $20K?

[debatem1]

A Mercedes SL55 AMG sans limiter will hit 200mph at roughly 500HP, and it's pretty easy to pick one of the 2007s with the fixed top for around $20k. If you go down to the 2003s you have plenty of options going down into the $15k range and they're almost as fast. They're also, to my eyes, pretty good looking and very comfortable-- although I'm pretty sure I wouldn't want to go around any sharp corners at those speeds.

You can also get a similar era V10 M5 or M6 for about the same cash and those will go like crazy. Again, to my eyes, good looking cars.

If you're patient and haggle well you can probably pick up a viper SRT-10, although you might be waiting a while; I see some around $24k but no lower without salvage titles.

I could go on, but you get my point. There are a ton of cars out there that really are pretty incredible for not a lot of money.

[Sohcahtoa82]

> A Mercedes SL55 AMG sans limiter will hit 200mph at roughly 500HP, and it's pretty easy to pick one of the 2007s with the fixed top for around $20k.

Huh, you're right. Actually, more than right. If I don't mind travelling across the country, I can get a 2005 SL55 AMG for $7,500. That car was 6 figures at release, though. That's a LOT of value to lose!

> They're also, to my eyes, pretty good looking

I will disagree there. I think they look boring as all hell. Obviously, this is entirely subjective.

> There are a ton of cars out there that really are pretty incredible for not a lot of money.

I might dispute "incredible" here, for two reasons. First, surprisingly cheap high-performance cars are so frequently from luxury brands that don't consider long-term reliability to be luxury features. Also, despite the SL55 AMG being able to hit 200 MPH, it weighs more than most SUVs, and so has a pitiful 0-60 time of 4.5 seconds. I admit I'm moving the goal posts a bit here, but quick acceleration is more important to me than top speed. I can't use 200 mph on my daily commute, but I can use a 0-60 speed on the on-ramp, or whenever I need to accelerate quickly to pass someone.

[debatem1]

I mean, I guess I'm not sure where to go with this. You won't put down better than 4s to 60 daily driving any more than you would put down 200mph in the same circumstances, because you'll have a V10 roaring at you the whole time and literally everyone on the street will be sending hateful thoughts your way.

But if 0-60 is most important, I'd look at things like that SRT-10 (which makes it in 3.7s stock) or maybe even soup up a CTS-V, which can hit it in 3.3 with some work. Granted both of those, with modifications, will probably wind up closer to $25k than $20-- but who knows, you might get lucky.

Despite that, I maintain my original position: these are far, far beyond just being "nice" cars, and unless you can get a nice computer system for less than negative $80,000 there is no way to get such a system for even one hundred thousand dollars less than these cars, let alone several hundred thousand.

[leetcrew]

0-60 in 4.5 seconds is a really good time, especially in 2005. it only seems pitiful because street cars are ridiculously overpowered at the high end these days.

my hot hatch can do it in six seconds, and even that is a bit too much to use unless the road is wide open with no traffic.