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by andrei_says_ 2596 days ago
Propaganda works. People repeat soundbites drilled into their brains by ceaseless repetition.
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Funny how easy it is for the rich to convince people to work against their best interests.
This is one of those sound bites ^!

Has it ever occurred to you that some people think complaining about the existence of rich people is not an issue that needs to be “solved” by risking the destruction of an economy that encourages innovation?

Ya, the same way Medicare and SS ruined it. What if, instead, security nets amplified risk taking given American culture? I’m told that New Zealand has a huge extreme sport industry because of its generous medical system.
If we had strong single-payer, we would see a 100 fold increase in startups. And these startups would self funded and creatively bootstrapped. Without the burden and complexity of securing private health insurance, anyone with a couple months rent saved up could try starting a business. We'd probably even see old people do it.

Speaking of which, I'd love to see the temporal evolution of a histogram of ages of founders of all the IPOs in a given year. In a good economy, I bet it would be a fixed density across the spectrum, in an ok economy it might be bimodal and in a poor economy it would be a single peak.

> If we had strong single-payer, we would see a 100 fold increase in startups. And these startups would self funded and creatively bootstrapped. Without the burden and complexity of securing private health insurance, anyone with a couple months rent saved up could try starting a business. We'd probably even see old people do it.

This is a good thought! You've identified a factor holding people back and thought about what might happen if it was removed.

Yet, is it perhaps possible that there could be more complexity to this? Several countried with strong single-payer health care systems spring to mind. France and Germany and the UK are not generally regarded as having 100x the startups as the US. Self-funding and creative bootstrapping has not replaced VCs.

It could be worth considering the possibility that access to health care might not be the thing preventing endless fields of startups. Perhaps there could be some other factors at work?

Single-payer is a policy whose time has come in the US. But it might not be a silver bullet for conjuring startups ex nihilo.

> Several countried with strong single-payer health care systems spring to mind. France and Germany and the UK are not generally regarded as having 100x the startups as the US.

The consensus is that it's too hard to fire in those countries. (Look at the lawsuit that bankrupted Mandriva for an especially pointed example). I'm not aware of any country that combines socialized healthcare with US-style at-will employment, but perhaps that's the ideal combination - you can lose your job at any time, but losing your job does not mean losing access to medicine.

> Self-funding and creative bootstrapping has not replaced VCs.

It sort of has. VCs have shown very poor returns and a lot of companies have bypassed them.

> Single-payer is a policy whose time has come in the US. But it might not be a silver bullet for conjuring startups ex nihilo.

There's a noticeable spike in people starting businesses once they reach medicaid eligibility age (50 I think?) So while it won't fix everything it should make a significant difference.

France and Germany have different cultures as well. Single payer isn’t the difference. We waste a lot of time and money in America on a broken system. That time and money could go elsewhere while encouraging more risk-taking.

I also wonder about non-medical insurance costs and how much that is propped up by high medical costs. Would my business’s general liability or workers comp be half the price if we had single payer? A lot less? After all, most injury claims are for cost recovery.

> Without the burden and complexity of securing private health insurance, anyone with a couple months rent saved up could try starting a business.

How expensive is private health insurance in the US? I've seen numbers as low as $6k a year, but from your post it sounds more like $20k a year.

I doubt that it would massively increase the amount of startups. We have all that (and more) in Germany, and you don't see companies popping up everywhere, and the ones that are founded are mostly copy cats.

At a minimum, for the healthiest young males, health insurance premiums are at least $300 per month with a $3.5k deductible. Older people are in the $600 or more range per month.

I would budget $500 per person per month with a $7.5k deductible for a family.

I’m a startup founder, and the current Obamacare system is sufficient. You should check it out.
I’m a serial entrepreneur that’s hired hundreds of people. I’m well aware of Obamacare. In fact, my wife is an insurance and benefits broker for large groups.
> I’m told that New Zealand has a huge extreme sport industry because of its generous medical system.

Many countries have a generous medical system. No, it is due to their injury compensation laws.