[v_lisivka]

Number looks very little, if compared to Russia backing. Russia has whole TV channels backed by FSB, whole troll fabrics, and their own agents even in major Western media.

Why few orders of magnitude greater effort cannot help Russia, while much smaller effort helps USA a lot?

[dang]

You have a long history of using HN for political and nationalistic battle, and we've asked you before to stop. This sort of flamewar is not welcome here.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19866310 and marked it off-topic.

[ben_w]

Quantity isn’t always the most important quality. The US (and the UK?) seems to present propaganda as something the bad guys do, which is easier to believe if the changes are limited. Limited doesn’t mean unimportant, and it being limited forces focus on important changes.

(I’m not assuming competence here: I assume that’s random over time)

[v_lisivka]

So, you say, Russia seems to counter-present USA propaganda as something the good guys do? It's looks stupid. Maybe I misunderstood you. Can you say explicitly, who does good propaganda, and who does bad propaganda? Who is good and who is bad?

[ben_w]

Mainly I’m saying that the propaganda produced by the USA says “Propaganda? Us? Please put away your tinfoil hat, only bad guys do that.”

I don’t know what Russia’s self-image is, but the impression I have from the outside is that it might as well be “<green frog emoji> Работа для нас в государственной пропагандистской компании <Russian flag emoji>”.

[9HZZRfNlpR]

America has the same things besides national TV? Every country has one, I believe America us exception.

[gdy]

"Number looks very little, if compared to Russia backing. Russia has whole TV channels backed by FSB, whole troll fabrics, and their own agents even in major Western media."

[Citation needed]

[v_lisivka]

See https://euvsdisinfo.eu/

About EU vs Disinformation campaign

This website is part of a campaign to better forecast, address and respond to pro-Kremlin disinformation. The ‘EU versus Disinformation’ campaign is run by the European External Action Service East Stratcom Task Force. The team was set up after the EU Heads of State and Government stressed the need to challenge Russia’s ongoing disinformation campaigns in March 2015.

[gdy]

You could have as well given a link to google.com.

You have made several specific russophobic claims and I challenge you to substatiate them and not leave that as 'an exercise for the reader'.

[v_lisivka]

These claims are not russophobic. We are at war with Russian Federation for 5 years. It's clearly demonstrates that we have no phobia. They are anti-russian.

Please, list claims you are interested to dig in.

[gdy]

Are you aware that in the 2018 Russia is still the main trade partner of the Ukraine despite all russophobic noises coming from Kiev?

It clearly contradicts your statement that Russia and the Ukraine are at war.

I quoted the sentence that needs factual proofs.

[v_lisivka]

Major trade partners of Ukraine in 2018 are: EU(import ~55%/export 45,1%), RF(import 14.3%, export: 7,3%), China(import 12.2%, export 4.3%), USA(import 5.4%/export 2.2%), and so on.

> It clearly contradicts your statement that Russia and the Ukraine are at war.

No, it displays inertia of two big and complex systems.

> I quoted the sentence that needs factual proofs.

You got them. The whole site is created by EU and dedicated to disproof Russian propaganda, with links to propaganda narratives and factual materials.

For example: https://euvsdisinfo.eu/figure-of-the-week-136000/