[gdy]

Are you aware that in the 2018 Russia is still the main trade partner of the Ukraine despite all russophobic noises coming from Kiev?

It clearly contradicts your statement that Russia and the Ukraine are at war.

I quoted the sentence that needs factual proofs.

[v_lisivka]

Major trade partners of Ukraine in 2018 are: EU(import ~55%/export 45,1%), RF(import 14.3%, export: 7,3%), China(import 12.2%, export 4.3%), USA(import 5.4%/export 2.2%), and so on.

> It clearly contradicts your statement that Russia and the Ukraine are at war.

No, it displays inertia of two big and complex systems.

> I quoted the sentence that needs factual proofs.

You got them. The whole site is created by EU and dedicated to disproof Russian propaganda, with links to propaganda narratives and factual materials.

For example: https://euvsdisinfo.eu/figure-of-the-week-136000/

[gdy]

EU is not a country.

"it displays inertia of two big and complex systems"

Yeah, right, I can imagine the US trading with Japan during the whole war. Oh, wait, no, actually, I cannot.

"You got them"

That is a lie. Even the link you gave doesn't have to do much with your statement.

[ben_w]

> EU is not a country.

EU is a weird special case, as it’s more tightly integrated than anything else that isn’t a country, despite not being a country. This was one of the points used by both sides in Brexit.

As for the general argument the two of you are having, I no longer think “war” is a useful boolean state, just a political decoration sometimes associated with the use of force against the political interests of another nation (“nation” being another surprisingly fuzzy concept the closer I look).

[gdy]

Can you give an example of such use of force which is not a war? Besides Russian help to Ukrainian rebels.

Turkish, American, Israel's and Arab actions in Syria come to mind, but what else?