[rhmw2b]

I went to BYU for my undergrad as well. As part of a job I had on campus I had some exposure to Honor Code processes. From my experience Honor Code enforcement was not as strict/retaliatory as people make it seem. Many times students would have multiple (e.g. 7) violations before any action was taken. This is just based off of my experience.

My personal opinion is that you shouldn’t sign the Honor Code if you don’t intend to keep it. It’s rediculous that students agree to the code annually and then are surprised when someone holds them to it. BYU Tuition is subsidized by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, so it’s not unreasonable that they ask you follow some code of conduct.

I was able to graduate with an engineering degree debt free and land an awesome well paying job afterword. Keeping the Honor Code for four years is such a small price to pay in comparison.

Here is a link to some version of the Honor Code. I’m not sure how up to date it is, but it’s probably close if not the same to the current version: https://policy.byu.edu/content/managed/26/ChurchEducationalS...

[Thetawaves]

• Be honest

• Live a chaste and virtuous life

• Obey the law and all campus policies

• Use clean language

• Respect others

• Abstain from alcoholic beverages, tobacco, tea, coffee, and substance abuse

• Participate regularly in church services

• Observe Dress and Grooming Standards

• Encourage others in their commitment to comply with the Honor Code

Are you saying that they offer you financial incentives to conform to this puritanism, and then issue 'actions' when you don't obey?

[rhmw2b]

You could argue that is happening in a sense. However, they make it clear up front what behavior is expected and what the results of breaking the code of conduct is. This is not dissimilar to any employment relationship. My employer could fire me for things I do during my personal time that are not consistent with their standards, so I have a financial intensive to conform to their code of conduct. Additionally, I have an obligation to not do work or accept payment for things that I believe are morally or ethically wrong, even if it is offered by my employer and it is substantial.

The difference is where the line is drawn (what the code of conduct requires). My opinion is that the low tuition costs are not reason enough to say that the school is coercing students to live a puritan lifestyle.

[tropo]

I'm bummed that there don't seem to be universities offering this without the specific religious affiliation. You can get it in Roman Catholic form at Ave Maria, or typical protestant form at Bob Jones, but you can't get it plain. There exist non-believers who approve of everything on that list except the religion.