[FireBeyond]

> jurisdictions like Washington intentionally make it difficult to track whether non-citizens are voting by issuing them IDs and offering to register them to vote sans additional proof of citizenship. This is why WA has to have enhanced ID — they don’t meet the federal standards of ensuring people they issue ID to are here legally.

You are not automatically registered to vote just because you have a WA driver license. I moved here from Australia, got my DL, doesn't mean in any way shape or form that I can vote as a permanent resident, nor can I register.

[FakeComments]

> > offering to register them to vote sans additional proof of citizenship

> You are not automatically registered to vote just because you have a WA driver license.

I find it interesting you didn’t actually critique what I said.

In my experience, that’s common with people who hold your position.

There was also no attempt to reply with actual facts: just more fallacious arguments when they were called out about making an unsupported claim and ad hominem —

> Because there’s no significant amount of fraud occurring that ID requirements would fix, and ID requirements are often made to unfairly disenfranchise certain groups.

That’s what HN groupthink is: unsupported facts and ad hominems in support, downvotes and strawman responses to people who disagree.

[FireBeyond]

You said:

> issuing them IDs and offering to register them to vote sans additional proof of citizenship

Washington state doesn't "offer to register you to vote based on you getting a Washington Driver's License". WA DOL on Voter Registration:

"You will be required to show that you are:

- A citizen of the United States.

- A legal resident of Washington State and have lived at your address for at least 30 days before the election.

- At least 18 years old when you vote.

- Not under Department of Corrections supervision for a Washington felony conviction.

and

- Not disqualified from voting due to a court order."

So your statement that Washington is "offering to register people to vote "sans additional proof of citizenship" is factually false.

So, absolutely did I critique what you said. It's wrong.

Washington's Drivers License does not meet federal standards because it doesn't require citizenship or residency _to be issued_, not because they're registering or offering to register non-citizens to vote (because the Fed governments solution to that would be to ignore that actual issue, and just say it doesn't meet Fed ID requirements, sure).

"Fallacious arguments" - I quoted the WA DOL. Where is your source that the refusal to accept the state DL federally is due to "voter registration of non-citizens"? As it is, Washington ALSO offers the Enhanced Drivers License which _does_ meet federal requirements, showing citizenship proof, primarily used for land travel to Canada.