[chrismeller]

When I was 22 I would gladly have doubled down for the money. Over a decade later... not so much.

People forget that there are others not like them. There are plenty of companies that set deadlines and expect you to meet them, even if that means working the weekends when you’re behind. There is nothing inherently wrong with that, lots of people love the money and/or don’t have families. No one is forcing you to work there, so let them be.

[leereeves]

That argument would justify unlimited abusive behavior from employers. No time for bathroom breaks? Locked exit doors during working hours? [1] "There are plenty of companies with conditions like those, and obviously a lot of people love the money. No one is forcing you to work there, so leave them alone."

1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangle_Shirtwaist_Factory_fi...

[chrismeller]

I find it fascinating that your reference is from 1911... because there clearly haven’t been any laws enacted since then that would protect workers.

The only potentially relevant statement you made (bathroom breaks at Amazon warehouses) is the uncited one. Also coincidentally illegal in every US state I’ve ever been employed in...

[leereeves]

The example shows that the same words could have defended those unconscionable conditions from 1911, which were also legal at the time.

Can you come up with a reason workers shouldn't fight back against RevolutApp's demands that wouldn't also apply to the horrible conditions in 1911?

[chrismeller]

I never said workers who didn’t like it shouldn’t. If you don’t like it you absolutely could and should.

If you reread my comment I specifically said that some people do like it at certain points in their lives. Let them decide if the job is for them...

[leereeves]

RevolutApp is small enough (for now) that working there might seem optional. But working is not optional, and if employers are able to impose conditions like these, they're all going to want to.

Would you feel the same way if a company with 100,000 employees made these demands? If hundreds of companies with millions of employees total did so?

[gspetr]

> But working is not optional

I know people who've been on welfare for generations, having never worked a day in their lives.

[kemiller2002]

When I got divorced, the only thing that kept me going was my job. It allowed me to push everything else out and focus. I welcomed it. and I volunteered to work extra, because it was less painful. I wouldn't do it now, but that lifestyle is for some people. I learned very quickly not to judge anyone for their life decisions.

[boomlinde]

Good for you, but I don't see how the sentiment is relevant to this situation. That you'd volunteer for overtime because it fits your lifestyle is different from the CEO threatening to fire you because you don't work unpaid weekends, or holding bonuses hostage because being a "great contributor" somehow doesn't figure in their KPI metric.

[kemiller2002]

I'm just saying that some people want to work like that. What you see as a threat, others see as an opportunity.

[boomlinde]

> What you see as a threat, others see as an opportunity.

All right, but in the scenario you describe, you volunteered to work overtime because that's what you felt was best for you, not because of the lingering...opportunity to get fired if you didn't.