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by Tomte 2776 days ago
I sure hope the EU hasn't given in to the DUP.

But since May won't get anything through parliament, it's probably a moot point.

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My expectation is that everyone is going to suddenly fall into line and she'll get it through.
May's play is to delay as much as possible and then at last moment call Parliament to vote, when there really is no more time left to negotiate. Then Parliament only has to choice of "no deal" or "May's deal" and she seems to hope for enough votes for her's ... sad times
Corbyn wants Brexit to happen he’ll whip Labour into passing it.
http://www2.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2018/11/...

YouGov poll on labour voters would suggest caution on Mr Corbyn's part.

I voted remain mainly because I could not see how UK could dis-engage from local markets and just-in-time processes without significant turbulence. Corbyn gave EU 6.5/10 marks, I personally would score around 5.5/10 or 6/10 mainly because of the treatment of Greece.

Basically, like on Slackware when you misconfigure something, 'stormy weather ahead'

So Greece should be allowed to run up huge debts and then not pay them back?
So banks in Germany should be allowed to lend huge amounts of money to countries with the same currency but much higher bank rate without regard to loss?

'Moral Hazard' is something I have reservations about.

I mean I see your point but it works both ways, should German pensioners pay for the mistakes of bankers and successive Greek governments... really I’m a bit playing devils advocate I don’t think the Greek people should be paying either.
Half a currency (Eurozone has common currency value but national banks can still set bank rates) is the problem I think. UK stayed out of Euro because of the Black Wednesday experience during the ERM I suspect.
I mean they can disobey the whip.

He should have the self awareness that trying that could result in Labour collapsing like the LibDems did.

He already has caused more harm than good to the Labour Party over his stance on Brexit.

He’s been a Euroskeptic since the 70’s he sees the EU as a neoliberal capitalistic endeavor which stands against everything he stands for.

Over the past 2 years now he showed no opposition to Brexit which goes against the wishes of his party members and their constituents and against the ideals of being an opposition party.

I really don’t see him changing his tune now as he showed he is incapable of letting his own ideals take the backseat to the will of the party.

> he showed he is incapable of letting his own ideals take the backseat to the will of the party

A trait that has garnered him many followers.

Fewer and fewer every day. Like Trump, Corbyn has a hard-core minority that will back him no matter what, but his support within the general party diminishes every time a new poll comes out and his popularity within the general electorate is currently down in the rubbish levels enjoyed by our sad PM. He may currently be seen as the lesser of two evils, but not by much.
Labour's position is to vote against the Chequer's agreement.
Labour’s position should be to oppose Brexit and to remain or rejoin, that is not however Corbyn’s position it never was and for the past 2 years he showed that he is not fit as a leader because he can’t bend his ideals to the will of his party.

Corbyn wants socialism, he want to nationalize the industries he wants to get rid of the neoliberal keynesian economics which the EU and every other social democracy in Europe promotes and follows he doesn’t want to be in the EU he was against the U.K. joining the EU in the first place and he didn’t do anything to prevent it from leaving.

> Labour’s position should be to oppose Brexit and to remain or rejoin

Why? It hasn't been agreed at conference.

There's a party for Remainers that want to ignore the referendum result they're called the Liberal Democrats or the SNP if you are up in Scotland.

Because that’s the majority of it’s members and people who vote for them want, they supposed to be an opposition party.

If Corbyn wants to run his own personal personality cult he should go form another party.

And of the 52% that voted for brexit? The problem I've found in politics is that politicians like to 'switch' their mandate depending on what's convenient. Half the time, rebellious MPs justify their behaviour by saying their "mandate comes from their constituents". So what of brexit? The majority of Labour MPs represent pro-leave constituencies. Now the same people are saying it's the "will of the membership" when that means nothing at all over any other issue.

I'm pro-Remain but I think Corbyn has been misrepresented by our media and colleagues so much that he's not going to do well no matter what. Christ, he was criticised for wearing a coat in typical British weather laying a wreath at the cenotaph.

That said, there is a section of the Labour party that has formed a dangerous echo chamber. I was routinely attacked by "friends" after saying Assad is an oppressive dictator. I was called names like "white supremacist imperialist" and, almost as bad, a Blairite. I left the party because it's a festering whole of negativity, anger and irrationality. I have misgivings about those people influencing policy, which it would invariably would via conference if Labour attained power.

Labour is a socialist worker's party. The LibDems exist. Why don't you join them? Why do you want to disenfranchise the socialists and take over the party?
I would probably guess that this would be because according to recent polling the vast majority of the members of this socialist worker's party actually support a people's vote. Is commissar Corbyn the only one that gets a vote?
So that’s why the Labour and the left wing media in the U.K. attacks anyone who calls them socialists and mocks them as perpetuating the red scare?

So either the Labour isn’t for socialists or they are hiding it to be palletable to their wide voting base.

The average Labour voter wants Denmark not Venezuela they want a better social democracy not breadlines and shooting people in the street.

Thats interesting do you have a reference for that?

There is a lot said about Jeremy Corbyn and I've noticed that a lot of the mainstream media (even left-wing like the Guardian) are very against him and have been vocal about everything he stands for, which I find interesting. This article,

https://www.politico.eu/article/jeremy-corbyn-brexit-referen...

from 2016 says that he thought at that time we should stay in EU and this does align with what I remember of that time. He was widely quoted as saying that although EU needs to change, we should stick with it and help change it from within.

[edit] w/e
Opinions are partisan? Your comment lacks substance. That may be why it's being downvoted (for the record I didn't downvote you).