[kylnew]

I’m surprised by some of the response; I actually think they were pretty articulate about exactly what they were banning and it certainly wasn’t all political speech. Trump stands for so much hatred and bigotry and it’s hard to vocalize support for him without implicitly/explicitly supporting that stuff yourself. We need to stop pretending like this is political discourse.

Intolerance of intolerance is the only acceptable form of intolerance. I think that this intolerance for others through trump support is what they are banning first and foremost.

[balt_s]

> Intolerance of intolerance is the only acceptable form of intolerance.

This seems vulnerable to a meta-level attack: "who gets to decide what is intolerable?"

[muzz]

The answer is clear: in a privately owned business, the owners

[kylnew]

I wish I had the definitive answer but in my books that line has been crossed in this context. I don’t think it’s as gray as we might want to pretend it is right now. The state of discourse online seems like some level of indicator something has happened recently that is descending us into chaos. Personally I do blame Trump and RPG.net seems to share a similar sentiment.

[unbroken]

The state of discourse online is such because of the Culture War, and the Culture War predates Trump, and possibly caused Trump to be elected in the first place. The current phase of the Culture War began with universities getting creative with their definitions of "bigotry", "white supremacy", "racism", and "sexism". The worldview promulgated there eventually percolated to the mainstream and is a massive driver of the ongoing cultural conflict.

[kylnew]

Thanks. Trump is certainly a symptom of something that existed before he took the stage. I don't think that absolves him but the problem isn't going to go away just be putting him out of sight and out of mind.

(p.s. the Thanks is generally for your response. Just want to be appreciative for peoples thoughts while discussing this topic)

[tomp]

Huh? Trump approved the space force and further missions to the moon, which will hopefully result in much more spending on space-related technologies. He's renegotiating global free trade agreements, which is definitely a good thing (I'm not entirely on board with how he's renegotiating them, but the status quo is bad, and if people are more willing to renegotiate, that makes me optimistic). He's done more progress with NK than anyone else in the last x0 years.

On the other hand, Obama invaded 2 countries and kept on waging a war in two others. He also lied about closing Guantanamo Bay.

It's easy to come up with one-sided examples for any politician. That's what politics is, really - the game of (shitty) trade-offs.

[tzs]

> It's easy to come up with one-sided examples for any politician

Except unlike with Trump, with Obama, Bush, Clinton, Bush, Reagan, Carter, Ford, Nixon, Johnson, Kennedy, the nominees from the other major party who ran against those, most governors in the last 100 years, most of the Senate for the last 100 years, probably a majority of the members of the House of Representatives over the last 100 years, and probably even a large majority of state legislators...if you got into a tit for tat exchange of one-sided examples with a supporter of your candidate's opponent, you'd both run out at about the same time and each would have scored about equally.

PS: it may have been unclear, because I should have also quoted your next sentence, "That's what politics is, really - the game of (shitty) trade-offs", as that was actually more of what I was addressing.

The point was that the trade-offs with Trump are way beyond the normal parameters we've had to consider trading off before. Pick various politicians and go look up their records on fact check sites. They are all pretty terrible, but Trump takes it to a new level of terribleness.

[kylnew]

Fair enough but personally I don’t care how many feathers are in your cap if you promote hatred the way Trump does. that’s just me though. Also I’m canadian :)

[umvi]

> Intolerance of intolerance is the only acceptable form of intolerance.

So now the game becomes figuring out how to label what your opponent is doing as intolerance so that you can conveniently be intolerant of it.

[kylnew]

Hopefully we can be more reasonable than that, but you’re right that’s it’s totally subjective.