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by hocuspocus 2805 days ago
Salt[1] in Switzerland has been offering 10Gbps FTTH for half a year. Maybe Bahnhof's router is better, but it's certainly not the first.

[1] https://fiber.salt.ch/en/

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USI in Minnesota (US) has been doing it for over a year. They launched 2.5gbit and 5gbit options back at the start of 2016. Granted, their coverage map is a tiny fraction of Minneapolis.

https://fiber.usinternet.com/

That being said, I think Banhoff was claiming to be the first in Sweden, not worldwide.

The difference is the prices In the US it is $300 per month While in Sweden it is $55 per month
It's not true 10Gbit. It's only 10Gbit to some pole and then it is shared.

Besides their customer service is horrendous.

> It's not true 10Gbit. It's only 10Gbit to some pole and then it is shared.

As opposed to a dedicated direct 10 gigabit line to every other internet device? Everything is always shared unless you request a dedicated circuit between a given set of points. Sometimes the over subscription ratio is just shit, which is a real thing to complain about.

In Switzerland other fiber providers (such as Init7) have a dedicated physical fiber strand to your premises and a dedicated 1Gbit port on the other side.

Salt uses 10G-PON, which as I understand it splits a single 10Gbit port. Salt's configured to split it 64 ways.

It's possible other providers are oversubscribed upstream but I haven't personally experienced any congestion issues with Init7, even over long distances (e.g. Zurich to Fremont, CA).

All ISPs are at the edge of being oversubscribed. If not they're either commercially incompetent or in the hype stage of a marketing cycle (omg check this ISP I can download 24/7 at full speed)
The true "TH" Of FTTH is usually not shared. At least in my country it isn't.
The thing about this 10Gbps Salt Fiber Deal is that it's only available in very few places. I have 1Gbps Fiber Internet via Swisscom[0] at my Residence, but Salt Fiber is apparently not availible to me, even though the Fiber Infrastructure is shared between all Internet Providers.

[0] 80.- per Month

The horizontal fiber deployment is shared (afaik, to be precise, in the same pipes there's Swisscom fibers plus the ones that belong to your local utilities) but ISPs still have to set up their own access points.

I do recommend Init7, but in the meantime Wingo would be a bit cheaper for you, and I believe that Sunrise is available everywhere (they use Swisscom's network where they don't have their own access points). Yallo is currently offering a deal for 35.-/month.

https://www.yallo.ch/en/giga

The last mile infrastructure is shared but the ISP still needs equipment nearby. Have a look at Init7's map for an example of how many you need to cover a good chunk of Switzerland: https://www.init7.net/de/infrastruktur/fiber7-pops/
Huh; why did they build things this way, instead of doing the overland equivalent of a cellular https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_virtual_network_operato..., where the "ISP equipment" is shared too?
This is ridiculous. And in Vienna the max you can get over fiber is 300/30 for twice the price of that.
Australia: where the govt spends $40bn on broadband infrastructure and we still only get 100/40 unlimited for $79 (with an ISP with decent peering; you can get it cheaper but nooooo)

(you can get 250/100 but that caps you at 3TB and costs $250/mo)

EDIT: scratch that, it’s up to $51bn

Should probably note that most people cant get 100/40, are on ADSL3.5 (VDSL2) and the NBN Co only guarantee 25/5... for $51 bn. The network was already antiquated before they even began building it and will need to spend another $51bn right away to install labours FTTH. Their pipe dreams about 5G saving the day are rubbish. Its so bad some politician thought it reasonable to charge the AU ppl $35k/yr for his internet bill at home(4G + over data). /sigh
Be grateful, I'm sitting in metropolitan Melbourne and am stuck with ADSL until 2020, when we will be "upgraded" to decades-old HFC.
Behold Canada, I pay about twice as much for 120/20 Internet only.
Beanfield in Toronto: 1000/1000 for 100 cad / month.
Just looked, UPC wants 45€/m for 300/30 over coax. Fiber would be so nice though.
Yeah, coax is also what most people use I think because it's that much cheaper.
Wellington, New Zealand, 1 Gbit / sec, unlimited, 65 USD / month