[graybolt]

I think this is the biggest problem. If there are a lot of bad actors, you drag down the whole system, but if you try to prevent bad actors you run into a lot of issues.

A hard problem, and I don't envy anyone trying to solve it.

[dsigurds]

Hi graybolt, I'm Dirk, co-founder and CTO at Helm. Each Helm Personal Server is assigned their own IP address. We make sure to only use IP addresses that haven't been put on blacklists. If people abuse the service by sending spam it will only affect the reputation of their assigned IP and won't cause harm to the reputation of other Helms.

[specialp]

Yeah that isn't sufficient. Most people are going to get their email rejected or spam filtered from many sources. Having an IP that is not blacklisted is not sufficient to have it have enough reputation to be accepted by large providers.

[jethro_tell]

How do you plan to protect users from themselves? I.e. 2 charater passwords.

[broodbucket]

If you're spending $500 on something to help keep your stuff private and secure, you're probably not a 2 character password kind of guy.

[jethro_tell]

Oh boy, I know people with a fiber drop, 25tb raids with baby server farms and single character password. I think you highly underestimate the lazyness and/or stupidity of people. That doesn't even cover fishing.

Secondly, I think you underestimate the time intensive work that goes into clearing up an IP. I've run mail servers with users in the thousands. It's basically a full time job to keep a single ip clean. And that's with a half or less percentage of clueless users. I'm unsure how this will scale to hundreds of IPs let alone the thousands(x100) that would probably be needed to make creating your own hardware profitable.

Third, you're going to need to reach incompetent customers to make this profitable.

[heartles]

No offense, but given that you are making a product that has a much higher potential to enable bad actors than usual, isn't it kind of you/your company's job to try to solve it?

EDIT: Just realized I responded to the wrong person :(

[mrunkel]

The person you are replying too isn't the CEO. Just another new user (that's why the username is in green).

[heartles]

You learn something new every day, I always assumed the green meant OP, like how reddit uses blue. I didn't even notice the change in username Thanks!

[diegoperini]

Thanks for teaching!

[throwanem]

Spammers can already get mail servers without a problem. This doesn’t make that easier, because it’s already as easy as it can be.

[jhabdas]

No, it's not. In fact it's your job to try and police yourself. But you probably on someone else to control you don't you?

[heartles]

I mean, my thought is that if a high volume of spam causes other email servers to block Helm, then it makes it unusable to the good actors in the system. I didn't see the CEO address this.

Or, maybe I just misunderstand smtp idk

[graybolt]

Yeah, that's how I understand the issue too. I don't think there's an easy way to do things, either you end up blocking some people with a legitimate use case or you end up becoming a spam farm.