[dnomad]

At this point there's so much blatant China panic and propaganda that it's descended into farce. Look at this thread. We've now reached the point where the less evidence behind some baseless anti-China claim (an unecrypted file airport_china.txt!!!111!) the more it will be seized upon and quickly up-voted. The people pushing this don't have any integrity at all and if you call out the total lack of integrity they will just take that as further validation of their paranoid fantasies.

[product50]

Why don't we read about this for Korean or American companies at all?

The problem with China is that there is a giant trust deficit. And some of this is their own making. For instance, them forcing companies to share intellectual property with them to have access to the market or them deliberately getting countries into large debts as part of BRI initiative - is outrageous. So even if Huawei may not be as bad as what this article makes out to be, but the general narrative is against China. And it is well deserved.

[dnomad]

Ah, I see, the endless diarrhea of anti-China propaganda is totally deserved because it's China is untrustworthy. And how can China dare demand access to IP, they're Chinese, their job is just to be dumb cheap labor right?

What is really striking about the logic at work here is that you see the exact same thing happening in the most authoritarian countries. Saudi Arabia, Russia, Venezuela, and America. The media pumps out the same endless propaganda designating some external entity. The same idiots lap it up and whip themselves into a frenzy in daily two minute hate sessions. The same paranoia, the same hatred, the same fear.

As I said before, we've reached the point where this sort of behavior is practiced openly and without shame. This is key. This story was quickly voted to the top of HN and the comments are full of similar nonsense or defenders of the nonsense. That says it all but, ironically, there's not much else to be said because you really think China is the problem here and there's no rational discussion to be had with such committed ideologues.

[dang]

You've gone way past substantive discussion and dived straight into nationalistic flamewar. We've warned you not to do this before. If you keep doing it, we will ban you. It doesn't matter how right you are, it's a violation of what this site is for.

In particular, "boo China" vs. "fuck you yay China" flamewars are equal parts dumb and destructive, and none of that is welcome here, so please stop it.

[everdrive]

Are you chinese?

[product50]

You have no concrete points. Read my thread again and come back with a solid reply. China is losing the trust battle and it doesn't matter whether they are actually doing anything wrong or not. There is no point getting angry.

BTW while you are at it on Chinese access to IP. It is extremely clear that they are doing everything in their power to get access to it. Whether that is through illegal means such as the recent arrest of Chinese citizen in Belgium, or detention of another Chinese national working for Apple's self driving cars or even DuPont formally launching a complaint to US administration regarding it. Wake up and smell the coffee.

[dang]

Nationalistic flamewar is not welcome on HN, so please don't do it here.

[product50]

What do you mean? I really didn't mean anything nationalistic. All I am trying to explain is how China may have lost the trust narrative and that is it. I really admire China and continue to be impressed by the rapid progress they have achieved in the past decade across a no. of fields. However, now they are at a stage where they can't just make decisions unilaterally for just for their own benefit. If they do, then they start losing trust and face repercussions like they are.

The parent commenter is on a mission explaining how China is a target of some anti-China propaganda. My goal was to showcase some examples where he might be wrong.

I apologize if this came off as nationalistic.

[dba7dba]

Chinese companies have their hands in pretty much most of electronic devices used in the world today. NONE of the other nations such as Russian, etc have capacity.

I would stop having so called anti-China concern once the people of China start electing their government leadership in a meaningful way.

mic drop. I will show myself out.

[dang]

If you continue to practice nationalistic flamewar on HN, we will ban you. Whichever country you're for or against, it's a violation of what this site is for.

In particular, "boo China" vs. "fuck you yay China" flamewars are equal parts dumb and destructive, and none of that is welcome here.

[dba7dba]

I'm sorry but I should've made it clear that it's the few in the Chinese govt that are doing this. Average joe Chinese folks only want to live out happy life like every average joe everywhere else.

So I'm sorry that I came across as "boo China" or any of that sort.

However, I were to be banned for that kind attitude (which I apologized and I clarified), would that same rule apply to folks who are "boo US" or "boo UK"? Because there are many here who are angry at western nation govts for spying on citizens without warrants (and, rightly so)?

[Musisworld]

What is wrong with you?

It's okay to say he is anti-china in this context. I'm anti-china in many ways and suspect that tech is one of them.

You are over sensitive and a bit of a dick too.

[hw]

it doesn't hurt to be paranoid, especially when it comes to China. If you ran a SaaS, and if a Chinese cloud company there offered to host your SaaS, would you be willing to put your code on those machines? I think you're underestimating not just Chinese companies, but also the Chinese government.