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by chuckdries 2848 days ago
Are you arguing that these companies have their monopolies because of regulation?
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This is not an uncommon argument. It's not that the free market never leads to monopolies - but almost all of the most recognizable monopolies either owe their business model to a distortion in the market directly caused by regulation, owe their continued long-term existence to a regulatory environment that makes it unusually hard for would-be competitors to even think about trying to fight them, or owe their particular reach and dominance to special advantages imposed from outside.

Monopolies, oligopolies, and cartels can (and would) certainly occur even in the mythical Ancapistan, but accidental and deliberate abuses of state power make them both more common, more stable, and worse than they would be otherwise.

Historically monopoly’s show up in many market which seems like a strong counter argument. Companies like Intel have intentionally avoided becoming a full monopoly due to regulations, but economies of scale end up being a huge advantage.

Walmart needs no help to kill off competition in a small town as a more local example.

But notice how Walmart's "monopoly" is different from Comcast's. Comcast has a monopoly because barriers are high. Walmart has one because they're the fiercest competitor. If Walmart raised prices, competing stores would appear immediately. When Comcast raises prices, everyone else has to tighten their belt.
Companies can’t start up and fail for zero cost. Which allows Walmart to raise prices without instantly getting competition in those areas. In higher population areas that can support more stores it’s a very different story.
> Companies can’t start up and fail for zero cost.

Retailing companies? Sure they can. If Walmart started selling products for $5 that retail for $1 elsewhere, anyone could sell the ten they already have in their kitchen to their neighbors for $4.50 each, then use the money they just made to drive to the next town and buy twice as many. Before they've even run out of vacation days at their real job they're doing half the business in the town and can afford to rent a storefront month to month and hire some college students to mind the store.

The second Walmart lowers their prices again, they sell their remaining inventory for the normal retail price instead of the inflated one and then shut down. Assuming they haven't built enough volume and loyalty in the local market by then to continue operating and keep half the town's business indefinitely.

In a ~3% margin business the difference between 1$ and 1.05$ is huge. But, nobody is going to be selling canned tuna out of their basement for under 10 cents profit on the can.

Which is the real power of monopoly pricing, it's not obvious that spending 1.05$ is vastly worse than 1$ but it makes a huge difference to a companies bottom line.

Have you ever been to a Walmart where the prices are high?
Walmart prices do vary. In some places grocery competitors like Aldi do shade many of their prices significantly (and consistently, not just loss leaders).
I think the argument is that these companies became large enough to afford to buy the regulations that allowed them to discourage new entrants to the market. Then they consolidated the remaining players.
It's hardly outside the realm of possibility that the big telecoms are lobbying for regulation that makes it easy for them and hard for everyone else.
I mean. They did identify as a Libertarian. Isn't that one of the core philosophies of Libertarianism? That the "market will sort itself out"
perhaps true of "big L" libertarianism, but this is not entirely a fair representation of the broader political philosophy. most libertarians i have talked to will certainly acknowledge that market failures happen even in unregulated markets.

as i understand it, the core motivation for libertarianism is that power is real and impossible to "distribute" evenly. relatively more powerful people will always be able to divert state resources to serve their own ends. the only way to limit this effect is to limit the power of the state itself.

so the argument is not so much that free markets are beautiful, perfect things; rather, the free market is usually preferable to the regulated markets that powerful actors will allow to occur.

That is true for the right-libertarianism dominant in the US (also true for some flavors of left-libertarianism). I guess that's probably what most refer to with "big-L Libertarianism".