[sofon]

I don't understand the Dyson hype. Their products seem over-engineered, over-priced, and under-performing...

On top of which Dyson himself is strongly pro-Brexit [1] which is shaping up to be a disaster for the UK. Really don't hold out much hope for this.

[1] https://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thinking-man/sir-james-dyson...

[fredley]

James Dyson pitches himself as a sort of British Steve Jobs. His products take commercial fan technology and put it in consumer tech, with lots of silvery plastic, and sell for a lot of money. Engineering wise it's nothing particularly special. They have done well out of sueing competitors who do similar things.

Sadly it's a company that invests more in boasting about how great it is at engineering as it does in actual engineering.

There is no way in hell a Dyson electric car is going to have any impact on any market. This is more of a PR stunt than an indication of any real product. It's more about building the brand (of Dyson and Sir James Dyson) than anything.

[vixen99]

'James Dyson pitches himself as a sort of British Steve Jobs'. Does he or is it others who say this? Where is the quote?

As to the supposed comparison by others, someone from Dyson said '“Apple makes a stylistic product; we don’t have any designers at our company. We start out with the internals first and then match the style to it.”

[notahacker]

They're the Apple of the vacuum cleaning world. They were good at marketing, launched baglessness as a major new innovation which allowed them to completely dominate the market until everyone else copied it, their self-consciously different style also found many imitators, and since then the overengineering has been the brand's chief selling point.

[kitd]

Likewise.

Brexiteers hold him up as a paragon of British engineering and entrepreneurship. But he took an already-solved problem and "re-imagined" it with twice the cost and power requirement.

I'll stick with my Vax, thx.

[cjrp]

> But he took an already-solved problem and "re-imagined" it with twice the cost and power requirement.

And then shipped production off to Malaysia and Singapore.

[frou_dh]

What I'm getting from you two is that you're desperate to insert Brexit into any conversation.

[varjag]

Dyson sucks better than Vax!

[vixen99]

Don't know about Vax but my 17-year old Dyson performs just as efficiently as when I bought it. I notice that most of the new cleaners in the market in my region appear to copy Dyson's cyclonic separation idea - because it works!

[raverbashing]

> Dyson's cyclonic separation idea

It's not his idea, though he was probably the 1st one to use it in vacuums https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclonic_separation

[robotmay]

Yep. He also moved all his production out of the UK to Malaysia.

[gambiting]

Yep - I'm trying to discourage everyone I can from buying Dyson products because of it.

[gandalfian]

But they have "digital" motors. A concept that hurts my brain.

But seriously he probably just wants to be like Bosch. A desirable place to buy you electronic components. Otherwise reinventing cars is what sunk Sinclair...

[d--b]

Brexit means more expensive cars from abroad. The guy wants to make a UK car for the UK market, I guess... We'll know when they don't make a version with the steering wheel on the left :)

[woolvalley]

They make pretty good handheld vacuums. I have a miele upright also, but nowadays tend to use the dyson v7 for a lot of quick stuff instead.

[dovik]

In 3 words : No. Vaccum. Bag.

[dirktheman]

We have a Numatic Henry and it runs circles around the most expensive Dyson. While the Dyson seems more powerful on paper, in reality the Henry sucks up more dust, grime and pet hair. Our Henry is 18 years old, survived falling down the stairs, a complete house remodel and basic family life with kids.

The bags only need to be changed a few times per year, and changing is a breeze. Compare that to the Dyson where you have to empty the bin every other time you use it. Oh, and the Henry doesn't seem to lose power as the bag gets fuller since the motor is placed on top of the cleaner.

Every part can be replaced (and are still available, for a 18 year old vacuum cleaner!) but as I said, they're nearly indestructible. And cheaper than a Dyson.

There's a reason why professional cleaners use them, I guess.

[fredley]

Henry owner here: totally agree.

Also, unlike a fancy Dyson, it's designed to be bashed around, yanked around and generally abused. It's the Nokia 3310 of vacuums. And if a part breaks, because they're used commercially it's cheap and easy to replace.

[newnewpdro]

That is not unique to the Dyson brand.

[yetihehe]

Don't know how it looks in dyson vacuums, but in every brand I've tried, bagless vacuums are a disaster. They either don't filter that good, require special cleaning or both. One bagless vacuum I've recently used was designed so awfully, I joked that it should come with another vacuum to clean it. From what I've seen in pictures, Dyson's designs are much more easy to clean.

[sofon]

Pretty much all the Dyson's I've used have had very poor suction and hardly pick up anything.

The Toshiba bagless cleaners work well in my experience.

[stevekemp]

It's funny I had a few friends locally raving about how good dyson vacuum-cleaners were. I thought my existing vacuum was just fine, but I borrowed an upright from a friend for a few weeks and when I did I was hooked.

I started out by vacuuming the floors with my existing machine, and used tried the dyson afterwards. The amount of stuff it sucked up was very surprising.

Sure the dysons are a lot more expensive than the generic machines, but I have to say that I loved mine. It's only because I live abroad now, and I don't have carpets that I've not looked into getting another.

[dovik]

It was.

Other brands started to sell bagless vacuums only after Dyson first success. For other brands, bags was as profitable market.

[raverbashing]

Bagless vacuums aren't better. Really

Cleaning dust out of a bagless vacuum is bad if you have allergies.

Buying the bags is an annoyance but it is the lesser one.

[cududa]

Just get a subscription to them on amazon and you never have to think about it outside the 4 minutes it takes you to change the bag

[gonvaled]

I have been using a bagless vacuum for some years (no Dyson), and I am quite happy. You have to clean it sometimes, and it is a bit messy, but you can do that in the sink after emptying it in the bin, so it's not like dust is going to be flying around.

I am happy to avoid buying and changing bags.

[joering2]

I seen Henry and Hetty being used on a cruise ship and fell in love with a little happy blue guy. Too bad you cant get any of the line in USA. I dont think they have representation in North America.

[dovik]

A lesser one excepted when your bags were retired from market -> need to buy a new vacuum even if the older one was still functional.