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by tom_mellior 2863 days ago
I looked at your comments to find your position posted at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15149582. I'm not your target group, but still...

Here's the introductory sentence: "Service Partner ONE is the technology partner for modern office management in Europe." OK, sounds fine. I don't know what office management is, but there are a few more sentences coming up that will surely explain. Next: "Our platform supports customers across all industries in all processes outside of their core business, pursuing the digital revolution of office management." This looks impressive, but all it says is "Our platform runs on computers and people in offices use it." Next: "By connecting customers with the right service providers and streamlining their interactions we improve the working situation in every office we operate in." So, um, people in offices use your stuff to connect, which I guess means communicate. Maybe you are talking about email? "Someone called us the WeWork without walls." OK, but I don't know what WeWork is, and "without walls" sounds weird.

In summary, it sounds muddled and boring. Sorry if this comes across as harsh, but it's simply not as gripping as many other Who is hiring posts.

Your other post at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17663077, specifically the part "We analyze this data and utilize advanced statistical methods to take our client’s guest communication and marketing efforts to a new level." sounds like you're a spam company. Nobody wants hotels to "market" to them.

Edit: Oh, forgot to say that you didn't post salary ranges. Post salary ranges please. Even if you don't believe that it's a good idea (although it is), it would make you stick out a bit. Also, it might even be required by German law? It is in Austria, though sadly not enforced.

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I would go a bit further and say that this is a terrible job description. The fact that it is so broad about the product let alone the position is a big red flag.

1) Either they can't describe what they are doing (bad, how do you find customers then?) 2) Or they do anything and everything (worse, if there is no goal, there can be no drive)

I want my work to mean something. I want to be able to say things like: "I help people to book taxis in an accountable way" (Uber)

I'm guessing many others here sort in a similar fashion to myself.

I use a script to filter only Remote jobs with a tech I'm interested in.

I then filter first by those who include a salary.

This gives me a reasonable list.

Developers with experience who've made themselves available via LinkedIn & other sources get at least a request every couple days about a job. At that point, the question is which of these are interesting enough that I would consider the risk of leaving my current place & how much work does it take to apply?

Thanks for the detailed feedback! I have mostly improved on marketing material that was already there but I can see now it should probably be rewritten completely for this purpose.

And I will try to convince them to include salary ranges. I have tried before but did not get permission. It is not required by German law to post the salary and instead sharing these numbers is even less common than what I have seen from US startups, even if their salary levels are actually very good.

Its lacking a mission statement honestly.

"Someone called us wework without walls?". Were you thinking of something like "engineers without borders", when this statement was written?

I looked into your company. Its not wework, wework is realestate, your company doesn't seem like one. Its a german Cintas, but you outsource things instead of using inhouse resources. https://www.cintas.com/

Checkout cintas's statement

"Cintas leads the industry in supplying corporate identity uniform programs, providing entrance and logo mats, restroom supplies, promotional products, first aid, safety, fire protection products and services, and industrial carpet and tile cleaning. We operate more than 400 facilities in North America—including six manufacturing plants and eight distribution centers."

I am not with the company anymore but I think the quote originated from a VC who made this analogy during a pitch and the founder liked it so much that it was used it most of the pitches from that point on. Of all the places I would have never thought I would get much critique on it on HN but I absolutely agree that it is lacking clarity.
> Your other post at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17663077, specifically the part "We analyze this data and utilize advanced statistical methods to take our client’s guest communication and marketing efforts to a new level." sounds like you're a spam company. Nobody wants hotels to "market" to them.

Here's a direct link to his comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17672442

There seems to be some sort of HN bug or limitation that makes it hard to find when starting from the link to the whole "Who is Hiring" that you gave.

Specifically, if I go to your link, and repeatedly hit the "more" link at the bottom until HN is now supposedly showing all ~1000 comments, and use in-browser search to try to find his user name or to find phrases you quoted from his comment--no hits.

Specifically, if I go to either of the "Who is Hiring" threads the aforementioned comments are in, repeatedly go to the bottom and hit "more" until HN has shown me all that it is willing to show, and then use in-browser search (Firefox 62.0b19) to search for his user name or for phrases from his comments on the page--his comments do not show up in the results.

At first I thought you must have posted a link to the wrong "Who is Hiring", but no, if you go to the direct link I gave and hit parent, that takes you to the link you gave.

Not a bug, I must have just made a mistake and copied the wrong URL. Thanks!
In addition, their company name couldn't be much more boring.
Eh, picking a job based on how cool the name of the company is probably won’t get you too far
That's true, but it might also turn people off reading the application when other stuff is already not great.
I would be most interested in how much they pay. For right money I could develop most boring apps that other coders would die of boredom reading specs.
> OK, but I don't know what WeWork is

I agree with the rest of what you say, but WeWork is famous enough that they should be able to use it in a job posting, for example this article over WeWork [0] was on the front page 13 days ago

[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17732332