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by izacus 2878 days ago
They literally made a deal to spy on Chinese citizens as soon as that made them profit. Did you deliberately forget to mention that?
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No, they didn't and I'm sure you know they didn't too.

The data is encrypted and users in China have to accept the terms that explicitly state that Apple must comply with government requests for access to their cloud servers in China. It wasn't a situation where they changed course or pulled the wool over someone. You're being deliberately disingenuous and misleading.

They complied with the law. As they would do here if compelled by the law.
A privacy breach via legal means is still a privacy breach
Absolutely, but "They literally made a deal to spy on Chinese citizens as soon as that made them profit" is a willful misrepresentation of the situation.
I don't see how that is inaccurate. Can you explain?
China made demands regarding data hosting of tech companies operating in their country. Worrisome, but by definition lawful.

Apple complied while still retaining as much security as possible. They assert that the data is still encrypted, and they hold the keys:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/12/business/apple-china-data...

Apple had, as I see it, two choices: disable current customers and refuse to sell any more devices, or comply with the law.

So, yes, Apple could have walked away from their customers, but how would that have helped anyone? Their phones are still more secure from non-state actors than nearly anyone else's, and Chinese citizens, for better or worse, have to live with the dictatorship's rules.

(And to preempt the inevitable comparison: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/sep/21/google-is...)

So "They literally made a deal to spy on Chinese citizens as soon as that made them profit" is only true if you assume Apple is lying about the encryption and lying about their reasons for opening the new data center.

It's also possible the OP is talking about some other Apple cooperation with China, but that seems to be the one most people throw at them.

I definitly see Apple as being capable as lying. They have a history of it, of course, so I dont see how this situation is any different.

Additionally, Google is absolutely bad, but that is just whataboutism. If Apple valued privacy as much as they say they do, they would take a stand. Lost profits are part of taking a stand.

I still don't see how that original statement is innacurrate.