[camelNotation]

There are a lot of ways to look at that, but I think what all these "cures" have in common is that they drastically reduce the amount of sugar in your diet and allow the body to essentially rest and reset its insulin response. I don't think it really matters how you do it as long as you do that.

[cageface]

Note that protein also provokes an insulin response. This is why a steak will actually result in more insulin release than a plate of spaghetti.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insulin_index

[bad_user]

> This is why a steak will actually result in more insulin release than a plate of spaghetti.

That's bullshit, but yes, proteins do provoke an insulin response, which can be unhealthy with enough proteins. Note however that proteins != fat and fat does not provoke an insulin response.

And yes, for diabetics fat meat is healthier than lean meat.

Also note that fat and proteins keep you satisfied for longer, so you end up eating less meals per day. This is not about calories, but about the insulin response.

If you keep eating, the insulin does not go down.

[jackhack]

Can we please keep YC a civil place without the entirely unnecessary profanity which is pervasive everywhere else?

It's fine to disagree; but do so based on the strength of your argument and facts.

[cageface]

This is a direct measurement of blood insulin levels. It's not somebody's opinion. Complex carbs are extremely satiating and plenty of people have reversed type 2 diabetes eating high carb diets.

[com2kid]

I seriously question that satiety index.

I can, quite literally, eat 2000+ calories of potatoes and not be full. I make a damned good loaded baked potato, and good mashed potatoes for that matter. Are they talking about a plain boiled potato with nothing on it or something? (even then, boiled red potatoes are good... :) )

Or oranges for that matter. Give me a 2lb bag of satsuma oranges and I'll give you back an empty bag a short time later.

Listing beef as lower than oranges is incredibly weird to me. Apparently the average satsuma is 4oz, realistically compare two of those tiny mandarin oranges to an 8oz steak, the steak will satiate more and for a longer period of time. No study is needed to prove that.

Unless they were comparing by "equivalent calorie consumption" in which case the chart is useless, but sure, 1 mandarin orange is probably better than 1oz of steak. (~64 calories in 1 mandarin orange, ~77 calories in 1oz of steak).

Trying to make an actual meal out of the oranges would be, naturally, quite pointless, where as the steak scales up to a meal quite well.

And this is why a huge % of nutritional studies are useless for day to day living.

Naturally YMMV and I know people who are satiated off of small portion of high carb foods, but people who can eat a small bowl of ice cream and be full are the minority, with my evidence of that assertion being America's waistline (and the average serving size of ice cream).

[cageface]

2000 calories of potatoes is like 15 potatoes. You can really eat that many potatoes in a day?

[com2kid]

Not without toppings.

But I can make one hell of a loaded baked potato.

Or cheesy mashed potatoes.

Pretty much no one eats just a regular potato.

Which is where the table falls apart. You can cook up a steak with some salt and pepper, or a good steak with nothing at all on it, and eat it just like that.

A regular boiled potato? Meh.

[cageface]

Satiety index is just a measure of how full you are after eating something. It’s not meant to factor in how much you enjoy eating it, which is of course a very subjective thing.

Myself I’d rather eat 15 potatoes than a steak any day. I like them with a lot of herbs and spices which add a lot of other nutrients.

[Zimahl]

> This is why a steak will actually result in more insulin release than a plate of spaghetti.

As the husband of a type-1 diabetic I can assure you this is absolutely wrong. Fats and proteins are practically insignificant to carbohydrates, essentially they are inconsequential when calculating insulin injections.

[InitialLastName]

Note that your husband doesn't actually release any insulin. So it's not about calculating appropriate insulin injections, it's about how insulin a normally-functioning body releases in response to eating food.

[cageface]

This is a scientifically measured insulin response. It's not somebody's opinion. Note that this is different from blood sugar levels. You'll find the same numbers on every insulin chart.

[GordonS]

Sorry, but this is just demonstrably untrue.

I regularly check my blood sugar levels and protein doesn't affect them at all, whereas eating a bowl of spaghetti will raise it a lot.