[lucasjans]

The political challenges sound immense. The last paragraph in the article sums it up nicely.

> "The hurdles are minimal and the negotiations simple, as long as everybody agrees with Nevada"

Besides the Hoover Dam/Lake Mead, what other large scale energy storage opportunities exist in the United States?

[mabbo]

This might sound insane, but the great lakes might work, with a joint Canada-US plan. Raising one of them by a foot would be all you'd need because their area is so huge.

If you're willing to look outside the US, a wild but interesting mega project might be to try to do the same thing with the South Aral Sea. Pump water all the way from the Caspian. The North Aral is cut off by a dam/dyke and the south Aral barely exists anymore, causing major economic harm. Fill it with salt water and salt water fish to revive the fishing economy while using it as a giant battery.

[gpm]

Niagara falls (Erie -> Ontario) is already a huge hydro eletric power generator with variable flow. Instead of storing water though they decide how much water to allow over the falls for tourists. More during the day, less at night.

Thinking about the terrain, it would probably be relatively easy to setup a dam somewhere that acted as a battery, downstream is basically already a giant bowl... I suspect the tourist industry would complain though.

[ulfw]

They create more electricity at night when less electricity is generally consumed? Odd. But interesting.

[londons_explore]

They want niagara falls to look great for tourists.

When nobody is looking at night, it pretty much stops.

[Scoundreller]

Not only that, but so much water gets diverted during the night that the tourist ships could not operate.

Reducing water flow helps to preserve the falls too. The water has substantially changed their shape, even over a time period of 2-300 years: https://www.marriottonthefalls.com/blog/2015/02/06/rate-eros...

During the Post-Great Big Blackout period, the Falls power generation ran with night-time levels of diversion during the day-time. The tourist boats that go near the falls got furloughed.

[Scoundreller]

I want someone to do the math one day: What's the value of the tourist industry, and what's the value of the lost electricity production?

[mabbo]

That's just lane Erie though. There's still 4 more. Michigan is completely inside America so less political hurdles there.

[maxerickson]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludington_Pumped_Storage_Power...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Moses_Niagara_Power_Pla...

Evaporation is a real concern if you start talking about storing months of energy.

[Retric]

Not if the lake is going to be there in either case.

However, storing months of power is silly, you are much better off with extra ~6c/kWh wind/solar that you use 1/2 the year than trying to store ~6kWh energy for six months.

Renewable are the new base load power becase they are Cheap and you don’t gain from not using that energy. They still need peaking power or storage to follow the demand curve.

PS: Say it three times fast ‘base load power is a downside.’

[agd621]

No raising necessary https://www.saultstemarie.com/attractions/soo-locks/

[Waterluvian]

It sounds devestatingly insane to coastal areas and the ecosystem as a whole.

But insane ideas are some of the best ones to explore further. In it might be something practical.

[blendo]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oroville%E2%80%93Thermalito_Co... is in northern California.

"Water released for power in excess of local and downstream requirements is conserved by pumpback operation during off-peak hours through both powerplants into Lake Oroville to be subsequently released for power generation during periods of peak power demand. The Plant has 4 units: 1 generating unit and 3 pumping–generating units, with an installed capacity of 120 MW, maximum flow rate of 17,400 cu ft/s (490 m3/s).[5]"

Summer days are always dry and sunny, so a large solar array might work well here.

[Someone]

The Salton Sea.

Death Valley or Crater Lake also would be good, but likely would face opposition from almost every American.

[junglelaser]

Crater lake doesn't currently have Rivers out or in. The water level is maintained by precipitation and evaporation - so you are right. Opposition from basically everyone. Death valley varies from outflow to inflow every 400 to 500 years currently no outflow iirc so if we want to wait a few hundred years... Interesting ideas though

[jacobmoe]

I'm visiting near the Salton Sea right now and have been learning more about its fascinating history. I don't know about the technical advantages or disadvantages (evaporation?) but there would be minimal local opposition to such a project, that's for sure.