[internetman55]

My grandpa is into his 80s without many health issues while drinking occasionally but not everyday or anything. His brothers all loved drinking more and died earlier in much worse condition. Hence I will just drink smaller amounts of alcohol and not obsess over such issues

[KozmoNau7]

Don't drink every day/regularly, and only drink 2-3 units when you do drink, seems to be reasonable advice.

[vfc1]

There doesn't seem to be a safe lower limit for alcohol, its a well-known very potent carcinogen.

Its not obsessive at all to completely avoid such a cancer inducing substance, especially if there is a family history of problems linked to it.

[KozmoNau7]

"Very potent carcinogen" is scaremongering and alarmist.

Don't drink if you don't want to, but tone down the retoric a bit.

Generations upon generations of Germans have enjoyed beer in moderation, and they don't seem to have higher cancer rates than other western countries.

[vfc1]

Its not a retoric, its according to the latest science. There is this social perception that drinking in moderation is ok for human health and even beneficial, when in reality alchool is a toxic substance with no known safe usage limit.

Cancer in western countries are in general the highest compared to other cultures, so having an average rate among the highest in the world is not saying much.

[KozmoNau7]

No. Alcohol is a "known carcinogen", and there seems to be no minimum dose below which it does not affect cancer risk.

That says nothing about the potency. Just like nitrates and cured meat products in general. We know that they do affect the risk of contracting cancer, but the potency is quite low, compared to something like tobacco smoke or radiation exposure.

A lot of the things people consume everyday are "toxic substances", depending on the dose. Almonds can kill you, so can apple cores.

Is alcohol to blame for higher rates of cancer in western countries? Probably not, as people in other parts of the world also consume a lot of alcohol, it's a human constant and not unique to the western world.

Moderate and responsible consumption of alcohol has extremely minor effects on physical health, but the social and relaxation benefits are immense. If having a cold beer after work helps you to de-stress and relax more for the rest of the day, that's a net positive. I would posit that stress is a lot more dangerous than occasional consumption of alcohol. I am absolutely not defending binge drinking and abuse.

There is a lot of modern-day puritanism and outright shaming going on lately, of everything that is deemed to be "unclean" or "unhealthy". It's not a good state of mind to be so judgmental of other people.

[vfc1]

In the end people can do wathever they want, its their live after all.

There are other ways to reduce stress, like finding remote work or changing jobs.

The problem is that one beer quickly becomes two, 3 and 4 and there are a lot of people that just cant control it, its almost never just one beer.

I wish alchool would become like cigarretes: at least everyone knows it causes cancer, some people still use it and thats up to them.

But with alchool we are not there yet, a lot of people still dont know it causes cancer and there is no safe usage limit, they even think that it has some beneficial health properties, everything in moderation.

I wish it would be so socially acceptable not to drink, as it is to drink. In a lot of places, you are actually socially expected to consume alcohol, still today, which is insane given what we know about the link between alchool and cancer.