[deltateam]

Payments with Monero use would have solved and prevented the donor data from being leaked.

I'm still a little distressed at how few web-anything providers accept Monero.

Privacy focused email services and cloud service providers should be using it

but what we really have is protonmail only accepting credit cards and nobody seems to see the irony in that.

occassionally in the past I have found email and cloud service providers accepting Bitcoin, and I shapeshifted Monero over TOR to pay for the invoice. Nobody knows who I am and they received the bitcoin they were looking for.

But that was YEARS ago, 2015? 2016? Seems the possibilities have gotten worse for now

[gant]

As always with great (/s) solutions proposed on HN, it's neither simple, nor are there any great incentives for providers or is there consumer demand. The average protonmail user doesn't care and/or know why using a credit card could be a problem.

[mirimir]

That I find hard to believe. Maybe the average Internet user is clueless about that. But the average ProtonMail user?

I was shocked when I saw that. It's a total disconnect. Why not Bitcoin? All decent VPN services accept Bitcoin. ScryptMail accepts Bitcoin. Even VFEmail does.

Even worse, if you create a ProtonMail account via Tor, you can't use even the free tier unless you provide card and number numbers. That's worse than even Facebook!

[deltateam]

> The average protonmail user doesn't care and/or know why using a credit card could be a problem.

Right, which is hilarious.

> As always with great (/s) solutions proposed on HN

Using an opportunity to patronize without understanding my perspective at all. Interesting... (cont.)

> it's neither simple, nor are there any great incentives for providers or is there consumer demand.

Despite not knowing or caring that I would agree with this.

Anyway! The landscape of cloud service providers always has providers that don't care about outsized consumer demand. Therefore this seems to be more of an educational issue as well as an assertiveness issue distinct from one related to the practicality of running a cloud service.

[tscs37]

I'm using protonmail via CC, don't see the problem tbh.

Security and privacy aren't binary options, it's a multi-dimensional spectrum where the optimal point depends on your threat model, budget and other factors. For me, it's not relevant if the police finds out if I use protonmail.

[herbst]

Not sure about monero specifically but it's not so easy to find a crypto payment provider for more 'critical' services. And hand rolling one is not exactly a option for anyone.