[chapill]

I'm sure this submission will get flagged off the front page too because "Iranian woman bears arms against YouTube for censorship" doesn't really fit the narrative around here, but here's her page before it's wiped out too. Her YT and Insta have already been nuked.

http://www.nasimesabz.com/

[dang]

> the narrative around here

In my experience, people tend to perceive that to be whatever they don't like, and it varies greatly with the perceiver.

I don't see why this story would get flagged. (Edit: some users are pointing out the don't-give-airtime argument. That's a fair point.)

[waterhouse]

> people tend to perceive [the narrative] to be whatever they don't like

Heh heh. This is supported by research. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostile_media_effect

[dang]

That's interesting—I've not heard this before. Thanks!

It's the most astonishingly consistent phenomenon. Nearly as astonishingly, it appears impossible to convince anybody of.

[interfixus]

Nevertheless, 16 minutes old, it seems flagged and dead to me.

[dang]

It's sitting in the top 10 on the front page.

[interfixus]

Yes, status was drastically changed when I refreshed. Someone supposedly vouched.

[interfixus]

So, let me hear it from the numerous downvoters: Are you suggesting I'm lying?

Downvoting of simple fact-reporting is slightly too advanced a pattern for my somewhat simple mind.

[interfixus]

For my edification, would someone care to explain the torrent of downvotes? I simply reported a factual, indisputable observation: That the grandparent, with a timestamp saying 16 minutes old, was displayed to me as 'flagged' and 'dead'.

[taneq]

I must admit my first thought on hearing there was an attack on YouTube was that their recent monetisation changes have put a lot of people out of work, and some of those people must be feeling pretty desperate.

[onetimemanytime]

Surprised google survived Panda and related changes that more or less stopped unpaid traffic to sites. Yes, it's their platform blah blah, but when people kill you for looking at them the wrong way, shooting at the "person" that took away your livelihood is much more understandable. I was making $1000x, now I make $x, no money for rent, food...and people go into revenge mode. My life is over anyway so, at least I'll get some of them with me.

[Jesus_Jones]

This got too long, but to summarize my point there's a vast amount of content on the internet and those people feeling that someone not finding them via google is a cheat are over-reacting. The world is so big that there are lots of people no one ever hears about, who may be doing interesting stuff. Feeling that people don't find your cool stuff is a complaint you can make against google, facebook, instagram, maybe bing if anyone used it, any indexing site.

For every person that youtube or whatever other ranking site give them lots of viewers, there are millions of people posting stuff that hardly anyone ever sees. It's not a conspiracy that no one really watches my son's youtube game discussion site. There are thousands of videos every day created with similar content.

So all these people mad that they don't have lots of viewers, a bunch of that can be explained because there are lots of people doing the same thing.

Now for the people who used to get lots of views and then things drop off after a google ranking change, sure, the change must have had some impact. So your site with videos in say Farsi about how to exercise with a particular style of workouts, probably there are 100 other people doing videos for working out in Farsi or whatever. There's basically no way google or anyone else can balance it out. They make changes that they think will serve their users. Google works for a lot of people because it's a good clearing house. But it's good for people cause they can find things they want. Google cannot show all the thousands of videos every day on say fortnight. But my son's video game discussion site hardly gets any views. but thats because he's not famous and he's not doing anything that other people are.

I also think people try to make their site go higher by paying for links to their site. In a previous job, (I heard) they paid someone who was a wikipedia editor to create entries for their company and the founder, of course this is a known problem.

I think I'm sounding like a google or big company apologist. I have seen a similar issue in phone apps. My friend had a bunch of android and ios programs for tracking various things that he sold for a dollar, and the ideas got copied by people doing similar things multiple times and now he's just one person is a sea of solutions. He used to get a few $100 a month from people buying his $1 software, now he gets $5. It's not a conspiracy.

[nailer]

> those people feeling that someone not finding them via google is a cheat are over-reacting.

> So all these people mad that they don't have lots of viewers

That's not the issue at all. They're mad they HAVE lots of views and their videos are being demonetised, and the rules around demonetisation aren't enforced consistently.

[Jesus_Jones]

okay, maybe i don't get that. Is that what the point that was in the supposed shooter's screen grab with 300k views and 10c of payment was about? I had forgotten about the problems around terrorist or violent racist videos and ads for random stuff showing up on them so youtube was going to cut off advertising on such videos - I guess google screwed it up and went too far?

It seems very unfair the way this works at youtube and there's no human to appeal to. I can see that would be frustrating. So there's no other place to take their videos to get money?

I remember a time when there wasn't a place where people could get money for playing video games, except maybe a few people working at computer magazines writing reviews.

But I also still think theres also a lot of similar content for certain broad categories. Like say exercise videos.

[jobigoud]

> But I also still think theres also a lot of similar content for certain broad categories. Like say exercise videos.

Yeah but just because a niche is crowded doesn't mean that all creators produce equally good content.

You will notice that many of the top channels, say those that have more than 100K subscribers, very often have very good production standards, and are the creator's full time job.

Sometimes the reason why a specific channel is more popular than another is not obvious, but very often it's because they spent more time carefully crafting their videos, even if in the end they appear like candid shots.