[timmytwotime]

"Clean your room" is an internalization: how can you judge or even change the world if your room (your life) is a mess? The point is to fix yourself first, then start taking on the world. And do it all in small steps.

> the meaning part has yet to hit me

You don't feel any sort of pride after getting yourself in order? Are you sure you have yourself in order?

[cholantesh]

The average person could do with a lot more introspection, but to suggest that they cannot effect change or note its imperfections without being perfect themselves is silly.

>You don't feel any sort of pride after getting yourself in order? Are you sure you have yourself in order?

alt: "You didn't feel touched by Jesus/the holy spirit because you didn't reach out with full sincerity."

[timmytwotime]

> to suggest that they cannot effect change or note its imperfections without being perfect themselves is silly.

It's not the idea of perfection, but the idea of being able to successfully make changes at a small level and slowly and increasingly make more profound changes in your life. There's a great deal of arrogance/idealism to believe you can jump on the bridge and command a ship.

> alt: "You didn't feel touched by Jesus/the holy spirit because you didn't reach out with full sincerity."

Now you're just attacking the strawman.

[personlurking]

It's perhaps that the 'getting myself in order' part is still in progress, and I'm waiting for the other shoe to drop.

[mercer]

It's perhaps akin to how when a person goes into therapy, the first step, if practical, is to deal with any substance dependency issues. At least where I live, it's a prerequisite for further therapy (barring acute needs, perhaps).

I wouldn't be surprised if this is Peterson's thinking too, although I also wouldn't be surprised if Peterson doesn't know what the 'next step' might be (or is hesitant to recommend it).

At least based on my experience, both a good thing and a failing about modern therapy (and if I understand correctly Peterson is primarily a psychologist/therapist) is that it explicitly does not get too much into the stuff beyond a 'direct', pragmatic kind of mental health. For the rest you're encouraged to look elsewhere or cobble something together yourself.

(this in contrast to, say, priests/pastors/etc.)

[timmytwotime]

The fact that you are looking for it means something.