[timmytwotime]

> to suggest that they cannot effect change or note its imperfections without being perfect themselves is silly.

It's not the idea of perfection, but the idea of being able to successfully make changes at a small level and slowly and increasingly make more profound changes in your life. There's a great deal of arrogance/idealism to believe you can jump on the bridge and command a ship.

> alt: "You didn't feel touched by Jesus/the holy spirit because you didn't reach out with full sincerity."

Now you're just attacking the strawman.