[VVyattPrentice]

While the criticism directed at social media is certainly warranted. I feel compelled to take exception with your reliance on false equivalence. It's kinda qualitatively different when you're actively engaging in illegal activity while working hand in glove with a clandestine foreign intelligence service to undermine your own countries democratic elections on behalf of an adversarial foreign nation state. If you can't see the difference, then keep at it. I assure you it's there. But if you already know that then you go ahead and keep explaining to folks how apples and oranges are the same things because they're both round fruit.

[paulddraper]

> undermine your own countries democratic elections on behalf of an adversarial foreign nation state

Citation needed.

[VVyattPrentice]

https://www.justice.gov/file/1035477/download

[throwaway5752]

Not really, it's common knowledge. There are a pile of dead Russians ex-IC people all over Europe, the existing Mueller indictments, the Crowdstrike DNC Russian APT attributions, all of our own lying eyes...

[greecejunkie]

Funny, I must have missed the Mueller indictments relating to collusion or coordination of any kind (it's coming any day now, though, right?). I've seen a number of process charges. I've seen a handful of Russians charged with, essentially, social media ads and trolling and setting up a Michael Moore rally in NYC. And, of course, Manafort, who is dirty AF (right up there with the Podestas, the Clintons and the rest), but nothing relating to the Trump campaign. And if dead men do tell tales, as you seem to imply, I would think Seth Rich would have quite a story indeed.

[VVyattPrentice]

>"Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past."

-Jean Paul-Sartre

[dominostars]

> And, of course, Manafort, who is dirty AF (right up there with the Podestas, the Clintons and the rest), but nothing relating to the Trump campaign.

Manafort served as Trump's Campaign manager from June 2016 to August 2016, but I guess that has nothing to do with Trump's Campaign.

Created an account to attempt to derail this conversation into being about Seth Rich and Hillary Clinton. lol.

[nopriorarrests]

But your opponent is correct. Manafort indictment is about laundering money he made in Ukraine before 2014. It really has nothing to do with him being a campaign manager in 2016. Moreover, I bet this activities as a campaign manager were examined under microscope, and nothing shady was found, otherwise he would be indicted.

Lets stay rational and stick to facts.

[croon]

> Lets stay rational and stick to facts.

Sure, let's do that:

1) George Papadopoulos pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI.

2) Michael Flynn pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI.

3) Paul Manafort was indicted on conspiracy, money laundering, false statements, and failure to disclose foreign assets, not just money laundering.

4) Rick Gates similar to Manafort, but has taken a plea deal.

5) 13 Russian nationals and 3 Russian companies indicted on conspiracy charges and identity theft.

6) Richard Pinedo pleaded guilty to an identity theft charge in connection with the Russian indictments, and is cooperating.

7) Alex van der Zwaan pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about his connections to Rick Gates.

[VVyattPrentice]

>I bet...

>stick to facts

okay.

FACT: You bet Manafort isn't a traitor.

Bob Mueller would appear to have a different opinion.

https://www.justice.gov/file/1038391/download

Guess who my money is on.

[VVyattPrentice]

Manafort was just a covfefe boy.

[throwaway5752]

You created an account just to tell me that?

@dang, sir, I think you have a problem. Don't let HN be used as a platform to spread disinformation. Emerdata is starting up as speak.

[VVyattPrentice]

I didn't believe it at first. There's no running from this war.