[door3]

>I have no support for trump, but the level of identity politics was nowhere near comparable. This is when the phrase "check your privilege" became a meme - because it was being used to shut down the conversation. Progressives literally had a scorecard for if they'd consider talking to you. (Gay +1, Trans + 3, Black +2, Female + 1.5, Hetero Parents -5).

This kind of PC-obsessed SJW seems to me to be a total fabrication of the right disconnected from what actual leftists and progressives are fighting for.

#metoo wants men to stop harassing and assaulting women with impunity

#blacklivesmatter wants cops to stop murdering black men with impunity

You know what, I think these are issues where people should be polarized "morally righteous" about, whatever that means. They are real injustices that affect a large number of people on a daily basis. Activists rightly view these struggles as ideological battles to be won, not conversations to be had. What is the "other side" to affirming the basic humanity of women or black people?

[tbrownaw]

This kind of PC-obsessed SJW seems to me to be a total fabrication of the right disconnected from what actual leftists and progressives are fighting for.

Pay more attention to what's not said.

#metoo wants men to stop harassing and assaulting women with impunity

...and men with similar stories of being on the receiving end are ignored or told to shut up and sit down.

#blacklivesmatter wants cops to stop murdering black men with impunity

...and people trying to bring up actual statistics, or examples of non-black men getting murdered by police, get shouted down. It can't be about us-vs-them culture or training that says to always escalate instead of de-escalating or any other systemic issues, it has to be solely and directly about racism.

[door3]

>...and men with similar stories of being on the receiving end are ignored or told to shut up and sit down.

That is not true at all. It's just that these events are much rarer (women rarely occupy positions of power and abuse that power sexually).

>...and people trying to bring up actual statistics, or examples of non-black men getting murdered by police, get shouted down.

Again, you're fighting strawmen. Most leftists are anti-police in general and certainly care about violence against white people committed by the police, especially white people who are marginalized in other ways.

>it has to be solely and directly about racism.

It isn't solely about racism, but racism is a huge, primary component.

[smokeyj]

> What is the "other side" to affirming the basic humanity of women or black people?

But how much of politics is economic theory? We're split along the dismal science of welfare and taxation. It's unfair to the socially liberal and fiscal conservatives to shut down economic conversations on the basis of "you must hate blacks and women". That's really what I feel unjustly about. In the past people may have been more willing to discover your nuances, now it's a simple matter of red team or blue team.

[door3]

>But how much of politics is economic theory?

A tremendous amount. In fact, there's a pretty famous book about it: https://www.amazon.com/Capital-Critique-Political-Economy-Vo...

>It's unfair to the socially liberal and fiscal conservatives to shut down economic conversations on the basis of "you must hate blacks and women".

Perhaps, but how fine is the line between "you advocate for economic policies that disenfranchise black people and women" and "you hate black people and women"?

[smokeyj]

> Perhaps, but how fine is the line

Fine enough to warrant a discussion. Steering the nation with a two party system is like driving a car with only a gas and brake pedal.

[door3]

I agree -- I think that right wing economics falls apart under debate and scrutiny (ie, it reveals itself to be based on the interests of the wealthy and powerful and to the disadvantage of the poor and middle class) and discussion is a good thing. But I haven't seen many economists becoming subject to deplatforming in the way that racist or misogynistic speakers like Ann Coulter, Milo Yiannopoulos, Richard Spencer, etc have (rightfully) been, so I don't see this as really an issue.