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by hjrnunes 3025 days ago
Are all Jewish persons zionists and/or communists? Is that being implied in the post?
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> Are all Jewish persons zionists and/or communists?

They're not all called Rothschild either, that's not really the point.

> Is that being implied in the post?

No. The post is using standard euphemisms for Jews that are commonly used in anti-semitic literature.

Well, I had to search for the actual terms, because I didn't find them in the post. They're in a comment to the post. So the actual post isn't even using "euphemisms".

In any case, my point is that "zionist" isn't a euphemism for "Jew" or "Jewish". It describes a specific political (at least) ideology - which has radical, extremist militants.

"Zionist" cannot be anti-semite unless one believes all Jewish persons are zionists.

I understand why radical zionists would want to pass that on as true, but it's not.

Many Jewish people oppose Zionism on political, humanitarian and religious grounds.

> "zionist" isn't a euphemism for "Jew" or "Jewish".

Yes it is. It doesn't literally mean Jewish but it absolutely is used as a euphemism for Jewish.

It's usually easy to tell the difference. If it's being used in the context of the social and political events leading up to the establishment of the state of Israel then it's likely to be the literal meaning.

If it's being used in almost any modern context, but especially in the context of conspiracies, secrets or money, then it's very likely to be euphemistic. And anti-semitic.

Correct, it's not even obfuscating the fact that they're merely referring to "Jews". Being pro-Israel is hardly the defining factor as to why they've been signaled out.
Or maybe he was claiming that art has been divided between Zionists on one side and the communist branch of the Rothschild family on the other? Or the Rothschild branch of communism? Either way, we will never know.
The zionist bit I don't quite follow either.

But it seems clear that modern art has turned into a speculative multi-million dollar business, so "Rothschild" doesn't seem out of place, with them being the most know financial capitalist family.

And since the artists themselves tend to lean on the left and extreme-left of the political spectrum, "communist" doesn't seem an inept term either.

I don't know of any zionist communists at all
I feel a little dirty getting into this thread, but surely you've heard of Kibbutz? Many early Zionists imagined Israel as an idealised Jewish-Marxist utopia.

Of course for every Zionist that was socialist, there was another that was ant-communist, and for every communist that was Jewish there were many more that were anti-semitic. But don't let that stop the conspiracy nuts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibbutz

Close enough? Really don't see that hijacking art any time soon though.

Those are socialists! Remember that millions of people have died in the last century because of that subtle distinction.
Are you talking about the century where (all attributes based on self-identification) a realm ruled by a socialist party was waging war against socialist republics ruled by a communist party? Doesn't really sound like they were fighting over semantic pedantry. Or maybe they were, and they were just incredibly good at hiding it.

In the context of an alleged "art hijacking", I say it doesn't matter at all.

Yes, I was thinking about the different kinds of socialists and communists killing each other. (Edit: but I’m not talking just about state vs. state, within a country different factions were not always nice to each other.)
> I don't know of any zionist communists at all

I met them yesterday with the vegan nazis and the irredentist panafricanists - but you don't hang out at the cool parties !

There actually are "vegan nazis". Hitler himself was one.
Maybe it's a redundancy then :P
Sounds like some cool band names ;)
Hitler is the most well known vegetarian.
Likewise every communist I've encountered has been staunchly anti-Israel.