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The keto diet's main difficulties are the prevalence and preponderance of available sugary foods, the near inability to eat socially, and the extreme difficulty in adopting the diet in the first 3 weeks for people regularly consuming 200g+ of carbohydrates a day.

The raw diet is mostly a trendy thing people write about. The bioavailability of nutrients in many raw foods is just too meh.

We know what the best diet is. A plant and fish based diet with small amounts of other meat. Meat that doesn't subsist on a diet primarily of corn or other, less edible things. This diet is completely unsustainable on a global scale and would result in even more ecological havoc.

The discussion between plants or plants + meat is complicated, but for now I'm going to ignore it because there's more important considerations:

- Companies are making our produce harder to digest as they try and make products with a longer shelf life.

- Eating industrially produced meat (of any sort) is very unhealthy and in many ways unsafe.

- This entire discussion removes dairy from the equation, which is a large part of the puzzle for most people.

- The low-carb vegan and the low-carb omnivore are far better off than anyone consuming 200g+ of carbohydrates a day.

- Hydroponically grown carrots taste gross.

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> We know what the best diet is. A plant and fish based diet with small amounts of other meat.

Nope. Fish (most fish) as a central part of diet, will contribute a lot to build up of heavy metals in humans. And what is "small amounts of other meat"? 3x per week? This is basically an omnivorous diet. Compared to the SAD is probably just the junk cut out.

This, SAD-processed, is a very unhealthy diet, compared to a balanced WFPB diet. There are lots of studies to back this up.

> - Companies are making our produce harder to digest as they try and make products with a longer shelf life.

Yups.

> - Eating industrially produced meat (of any sort) is very unhealthy and in many ways unsafe.

Not a problem for those eating WFPB.

> - This entire discussion removes dairy from the equation, which is a large part of the puzzle for most people.

Dairy is a killer. Prolly more so than meat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3c_D0s391Q

> - The low-carb vegan and the low-carb omnivore are far better off than anyone consuming 200g+ of carbohydrates a day.

Any study on this?

There is a lot of studies (long running, with large size populations) claiming the opposite. Here some arguments: http://www.masteringdiabetes.org/ketosis-ketogenic-diets-mis...

> - Hydroponically grown carrots taste gross.

Personal taste. It prolly has less phytonutrients. Not sure how this is an important consideration.

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The site you linked is thick which propaganda which makes me doubt your bias and arguments. Choosing your sources is important for making a compelling argument.

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One man's truth is another's propaganda, what are your sources? (I've shown mine, and I must say it's pretty convincing and lines up with what I already knew about the human body)

I'm not at all saying there's no use for keto, I just think it should never be a mainstream diet (but something applied in specific cases, under medical supervision). As far as sci evidence goes, WFPB seems to be the "best" diet for the human species as a whole.