[zamalek]

People are used to how their phones work, it's a form of lock-in. I can't figure out how a Mac works, never mind an iPhone. I just get annoyed in the first 10 seconds and give up. If iPhone could be made to work more like Android, I'd switch to the superior Apple privacy story. As it stands I really hate using Apple UIs.

[sumedh]

Atleast give some constructive complaints, hating the UI sounds like a personal rant and not a good one as well when the whole world copies Apple's UI.

[wor3q]

It's objectively awkward.

Just few examples from my use of a mac:

You open xCode, nothing appears, it just changed top menu. You click on any other app in the meantime, and you need to go back to dock to do same action that opened it in first place.

You try to maximize window? For some reason it will move to other desktop.

You try to drag a window to the side, like in every other OS, to have it on half on screen? Nooo, users prefer long clicking on little maximize icon. (and there's a ton of other hidden actions like this, looks like new users should just right click every control possible to discover them)

Mouse support is completely broken, looks like acceleration is optimized for touchpad, and you cannot fix it in settings.

And worst of all, I have to deal with this 'perfect UX' because, no you won't be able to develop an iPhone app on your Linux PC.

[sumedh]

Some of them are valid complaints.

> I have to deal with this 'perfect UX'

No one is forcing you to do that, just walk away but we know you are not going to do that.

[wor3q]

I was literally forced to buy a mac, and an iPhone, which are idling 90% of time.

If I would be able to compile and upload iOS apps on Linux, and run safari to test frontend, I'd toss both of them out the window that second.

Microsoft is providing VMs for free if you want to test if stuff works under IE/Edge.

Apple is providing a big F you, buy our stuff.

[sumedh]

> I was literally forced to buy a mac, and an iPhone, which are idling 90% of time.

You are always free to not buy and just walk away from Apple ecosystem but we all know you are not going to do that.

[wor3q]

Like, can you actually read, or are you trolling?

Should I tell my clients that I won't do iOS version of their app and that I don't care that their frontend will not have workarounds for bug ridden Safari?

I didn't have to buy Microsoft hardware to support Edge and Windows Phone.

I didn't have to buy Google hardware to support Android.

I had to buy Apple hardware to support iOS and Safari.

So no, I'm not free to not have a mac standing next to my real computer.

[zamalek]

How is this:

> People are used to how their phones work

hating on iPhone? It's explaining why both parent comments don't share the same opinion. Everything else I said was very explicitly subjective, am I not allowed to express that I don't like using something?

> whole world copies Apple's UI

That is absolutely false, outside of the Apple marketing machine. Everyone copied Xerox and UI subsequently evolved byways of everybody copying everyone else in one way or another. I've also yet to see an integrated menu on Windows or Linux (although I am sure there exists some exotic window manager that does it) - so there's one concept that hasn't been copied and is entirely invented. There's also the Office ribbon. The modern iteration of flat UIs was born of the Metro interface language, a Microsoft invention - this now features strongly on both macOS and iOS.

[sumedh]

You are allowed to express your opinion but if you want others to take it seriously make some good points.

There is no need for a history lesson, you can shout about Xerox all you want but in the end It took Job/Apple to make the UI popular.

[zamalek]

> It took Job/Apple to make the UI popular.

This is also not true, Microsoft made it pervasive: between 1996 and 2017 MacOS has only ever peaked at roughly 10-15% market share. It is during this period that the market cap of computer users increased from millions (which can hardly be called "popular") to billions.

This is also shifting the goal posts. Your original comment had absolutely nothing to do with "who made UI popular."

[sumedh]

Looks someone does not like constructive feedback and instead tries to attack others.

Apple made a deal with Xerox and refined the UI while MS came in as pirate and did the rest.

Why is every mobile UI a copy of the first Iphone.

MS does not do design while Apple does that is the point.

Do you get it now or are you still going to attack me?

[zamalek]

> Why is every mobile UI a copy of the first Iphone.

Windows Mobile was definitely not a copy of the first iPhone.[1] I already pointed out that it was, in fact, Apple who took inspiration from Metro - which was the first iteration of the modern flat UI.

[1]: https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/wp_ss_20...

[TheAceOfHearts]

Have you given macOS a serious chance? When I first tried it out, almost 10 years ago, I HATED it. But eventually I was convinced by my brother to give it a genuine chance for a week. Since then, I haven't gone back. Whenever I setup a linux PC, the first thing I do is fix the hotkeys to match macOS.

[zamalek]

> hotkeys

If you have used Windows since Win95, CTRL+Left/Right is most-likely muscle memory. This hotkey also works in most Linux programs, including Vim and the terminal. It's practically as universal as ALT+F4. macOS does its own special thing. This is by and far the largest issue I have with macOS. It might sound silly, but keep in mind that I get thrown to a different desktop multiple times a minute, completely losing mental context each time, because I am using something that has the same effect everywhere else.

Assuming I could change the hotkeys to something less inane, I still wouldn't go near the ecosystem. I flat out refuse to spend $1700 on these specs[1] (i5 with Intel graphics), when I can spend $1899 on one of these[2] (i7 with GTX1060).

The iPhone is a different story and I might try it.

[1]: https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro [2]: https://www.gigabyte.com/Laptop/AERO-15#kf