[nailer]

This will hit everyone using non-iOS Apple products either sooner or later:

You're no longer Apple's priority. You haven't been for some time. MacOS isn't getting major updates, the development team has been largely disbanded: MacOS is a niche platform that only exists to develop iOS apps. One day it won't even do that.

Apple already markets and wants iOS to replace your laptops, and doesn't significantly care about the server or workstation markets.

If you rely on MacOS you need to think about this, and the longer you delay it the more it's going to hurt.

[rimliu]

   > MacOS isn't getting major updates

There is new version each year. And if you are talking about features, what feature would you consider "major update"? New filesystem maybe?

  > the development team has been largely disbanded

Source?

  > only exists to develop iOS apps

Source?

  > Apple markets and wants iOS to replace your laptops

Source?

But I agree that they probably do not care about server markets.

[venj]

  >> the development team has been largely disbanded

  > Source?

https://www.theverge.com/2016/12/21/14037686/apple-macbook-m...

TL;DR :

> In another sign that the company has prioritized the iPhone, Apple re-organized its software engineering department so there's no longer a dedicated Mac operating system team. There is now just one team, and most of the engineers are iOS first, giving the people working on the iPhone and iPad more power.

[nailer]

> > the development team has been largely disbanded

> Source?

Bloomberg.

Apple re-organized its software engineering department so there's no longer a dedicated Mac operating system team. There is now just one team, and most of the engineers are iOS first, giving the people working on the iPhone and iPad more power.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-12-20/how-apple...

> > Apple markets and wants iOS to replace your laptops

> Source?

apple.com, major print media, and all Mac Stores, which have ads talking about why iPad Pro are laptop replacements. Here's one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sQB2NjhJHvY

It sounds like you have very little involvement with Apple products.

[Karunamon]

If you’re going to call BS, please just call BS. Everyone knows what “source?” means.

[nailer]

I think most people who follow Apple already know this and those who don't could obtain sources easily - when sources are provided they're simply downvoted.

The whole thread has developed into Apple fans downvoting everyone who criticises the new approach to MacOS.

[alex_hitchins]

I don't have the time to locate all those source reference requests, but I know I've seen stories related to each point here on HN recently.

Seems fairly common knowledge that Apple have disbanded macOS team and is focusing on iOS based future. Am I mistaken?

[minikites]

>New filesystem maybe?

You mean the one that shipped on iOS first and benefits iOS the most? To me, that shows how far the Mac has fallen in Apple's priority list.

[PhasmaFelis]

> There is new version each year. And if you are talking about features, what feature would you consider "major update"? New filesystem maybe?

As a Mac user, it seems like the last 4+ years of MacOS updates have added nothing but greater iOS integration, bugs, and misfeatures.

[LeoPanthera]

The iMac Pro is the strongest evidence that this isn’t true.

[saas_co_de]

It seems that the Pro is designed to appeal only to the faithful and have a very limited lifespan.

Putting everything in an integrated system with limited to no expansion possibilities rules out a lot of potential users (anyone with common sense) and means that if one component fails or becomes obsolete the whole thing is useless. If there were awards for excellence in planned obsolescence those systems would be a shoe in.

[matthewmacleod]

It means none of those things and it is totally baffling to me that you refuse to accept that other people may have different views on these systems' utility to them and that they aren't idiots without "common sense" for that.

[eknkc]

Not sure about that. The trash can mac pro seemed like that at the time too. Let’s see when they’ll abandon this toy.

My MacBook Pro 2016 keyboard finally failed beyond “usable” level and Apple has been keeping it in the shop, refusing a warranty repair. Another MBP we have started having issues with the keyboard.

I believe they are going downhill fast on the Mac front, both hardware and software.

[ksk]

Are you also going to buy the new Blackberry smartphone?

[nailer]

What? In what way does releasing a new iMac reform the MacOS team, or undo Apple's iPad Pro messaging?

Did you even read the comment you're responding to?

[kahnpro]

Is it though?

[philbarr]

It might be nice if Apple did something more to convince us they care though. Make a strong statement? A commitment to quality?

[minikites]

A single computer release doesn't make up for:

- removing features and essentially deprecating OS X Server: http://www.zdnet.com/article/the-death-of-macos-server/

- letting the Mac Pro languish for _four years_ without a single update or mention until recently

- the Touch Bar, which clearly shows they put some work into the technical aspects, given how it integrates with included Apple programs and thorough developer support. But they seemingly never talked to any actual users or developers in usability testing, given how well it's caught on.

- ignoring the keyboard quality issues in their "Pro" laptop line

- replacing included programs with crappy, feature-poor replacements (e.g. iPhoto to Photos, Disk Utility, etc)

The evidence seems to indicate that Apple doesn't care about the Mac and hasn't since 2011 or so. If they've started caring again, good, but it's going to take quite a few sustained Mac releases over the next couple of years for me to take them seriously again.