[616c]

When the secure enclave came up in the context of contactless payments at a 34CCC talk, it was suggested outside of Apple as an iPhone vendor, the type of card operation requiring it are avoided by Google and others because lack of cultural and technical buy in from HW devs.

https://media.ccc.de/v/34c3-8965-decoding_contactless_card_p...

I won't buy into iPhones, HNers can flame away. Does this service get me anything as an Android user?

[thanatos_dem]

No real benefits that I’m aware of, and until Google starts to care about privacy more I wouldn’t expect them to invest in developing a secure coprocessor like the Secure Enclave, so you’ll probably be limited to 3rd party alternatives such as yubikey for the foreseeable future.

[lrvick]

The Android team has actually made a lot of progress on this front, and unlike solutions by Apple, Google lets their solution be audited by anyone as they release all the source code.

Android has the hardware backed Keystore API for interacting with secure elements. Integration for this started in android 6.0 and is mandatory in 8.0.

https://source.android.com/security/keystore

https://android-developers.googleblog.com/2017/09/keystore-k...

[616c]

I will check this out but as the guy in the 34C3 talk said, and he makes his living in building NFC payment solutions for bank and payment integration, heterogenous vendors with little reward is why they, meaning Google Android and others, moved to host card emulation with ephemeral tokens; structurally and technically only Apple has the supply chain and volume for their ecosystem to make it happen for secure elements, aka secure enclave as it is known in these payment processing workflows.

[dweekly]

Here is some information about the secure coprocessor that Google has invested in developing - and shipped with Pixel 2. https://www.blog.google/products/android-enterprise/how-pixe...

Disclaimer: I work for Google but not on this.

[kakarot]

Google doesn't design android hardware outside of their own models. It's not within Google's power (realistically speaking) to force all hardware vendors to start manufacturing secure enclave.

This evolution in hardware design will start at the top companies and young startup companies (far and few between in the cellphone market) and trickle down to the rest as the price becomes commoditized.

[paulie_a]

It is within their power: "play store now requires secure enclave for new devices"

[thomashabets2]

And that's how Amazon's Android play store wins. Or Samsung's, or one of the other ones.

Google by design isn't the dictator of the entire ecosystem. Not like Apple. Nowhere near.

[veeti]

Every modern SoC has TrustZone.

[plange]

They still haven't licensed their code, which makes it very hard to use.