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by maxpupmax 3077 days ago
Wow. Can someone pull a Hacker News and explain to me why I'm allowed to be super pessimistic about this result? I want to believe.
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To me it looks like they just took a bunch of specialized NN classifiers and glued them together. Not to belittle their work, this is still impressive and an important step towards generalized machine intelligence, but we're still a very long way off.

The next level above this would be to give it some input and without telling the classifier what to do with it, it decides which task it's supposed to do on its own, and then executes.

That actually seems like a rather higher bar than /we/ have to deal with. Image, auditory, touch and taste data come in on distinct signal paths before going to higher-level feature processing.
True in normal conditions, but our neocortex is highly adaptable. I can’t remember the studies, but there have been cases where a grid of actuators was taped to the body of a blind man and hooked up to a camera mounted on his head. In time, he was able to “see” edges based on the signals coming from his skin.
That's amazing.

I guess probably the orientation didn't even matter. So likely, you could seamlessly wear something like that on a patch of skin that stayed out of your way (on your back, perhaps).

This is essentially how cochlear implants work. Just get a usable signal to the brain (early in life) and let the brain sort out what to do with the information.
It's actually a little tab that the blind person puts on their tongue. Link below.

https://www.popsci.com/fda-allows-marketing-device-lets-blin...

That's the current model, the Brainport. The original was indeed a chair, back in the late '60s, and there were several users. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Bach-y-Rita
Wouldn't you "just" need to train a classifier on top to select the best fitting model? Or use ensemble learning? I dunno. My point is that it wouldn't be much more generalized even without that input.
Yeah, that would just be one step out of the however dozens/hundreds/thousands more to go before AGI.
No need to be super pessimistic, but there is reason to temper your excitement - this is quite preliminary research (little results to indicate much benefit to this - "But the results show that even on the ImageNet task, the presence of such blocks does not detract from performance, and may even slightly improve it."), and is still entirely supervised. Something like this able to learn in a semi-supervised fashion from images and text could really seem revolutionary.
There's a pretty strong literature around retraining just the top couple layers of a deep net to Target a slightly different objective.

The interesting possiblity opened here is training new feature processing frontends to work with an established 'conceptual' backend.

To be fair, their ImageNet results were 86% versus 95% in state of the art. In ML, those last few percentages, the closer you get to 100% become exceedingly harder to beat.
If AI really really, worked, Google would’ve called the team: “Google Brainless”.

Hang on tight we are getting there.

At first glance, these results appear fairly impressive as far as deep learning transfer studies go.

However, standard caveats about the limits of those approaches should still apply: e.g. https://spectrum.ieee.org/cars-that-think/transportation/sen...

In other words, I don't think MultiModel will be immune to fairly straightforward adversarial image attacks (although you might need a different adversarial network to generate them).

Furthermore, the problems being addressed by MultiModel (image recognition, natural language processing, machine translation) are problems that already have fairly robust deep learning results.

I'd be more interested if MultiModel showed significantly better results on problem areas that are currently difficult for standard deep learning approaches.

Well, first laying out the caveat that there are indeed quite useful and interesting results that could come from this approach, including discovering unexpected connections/underlying patterns between things humanly/socially viewed as "separate-domains", and that new ways of mixing/ensemble techniques are not particularly new, but can lead to real advances in both performance and insights, i'm guessing what you mean by "super pessimistic" is being asked to "throw water on the notion that there is literally one model to learn them all".

At a high-level I will try to do so with three concepts and an analogy.

First concept: opportunity cost Second concept: objective definition Third concept: qualitative similarity/monism

The analogy i use is physical fitness. If someone tried to tell you there was "one fitness regime to rule them all", you would, hopefully, step back and say something like:

"Well hang on a sec...what even is fitness?...and even once we MIGHT agree that there is some "thing" we're both calling fitness, what if the "thing" we agree on is fundamentally composed of qualitatively different components or atomistic concepts...and if that is the case, is it really conceivable that there is no opportunity cost between maximizing all qualitatively different concepts? How would we even agree on how to compare them?"

Put into english, i think most relatively advanced thinkers understand this about fitness. There is no "one greatest athlete" and there is no "one ultimate training regime". There is no objective way to rank or compare a tennis player to a linebacker to a golf player to a sprinter to a marathon runner. Additionally, the regimes and body types that make one good at some fundamentally make you worse at others. It might even be worse than that... There might not even be a way to compare or rank athletes transitively WITHIN domains?! Aye carumba!

To bring it back to data science, what we're being asked to believe in things like "general AI" or "one model to rule them all" is that the problem domain has these kinds of properties:

1. Composed of things which do not have a fundamental opportunity cost between them. If they do, you cannot have one model to rule them all, you must choose trade-offs. 2. Can be "objectively" agreed upon in some way: ok, you've come to an agreement on what your trade-offs will be, and you will maximise that instead, but was there anything objective in that decision? In the example included, he uses the example of training on the concept of "banana", but maybe there really is no universal concept of "banana" because it is subjectively experienced by every conscious being. Is it right to link the concept of banana to yellow, sweet, sour, disgusting, desirable? which really just leads into... 3. That the domain "REALLY IS" composed of a singular "same type of underlying thing". If the underlying thing in our domain is fundamentally composed of qualitatively different things, conglomerating and comparing them can only be achieved by subjectivity and subjective agreement. There is literally no objective answer to be found. You might find practical similarities or averages or something like that, but there is literally no fundamental common ground that will make everything happy and work out.

Now, to be sure, in a practical sense you can usually limit your domain, and limit your problems, and your limit your social circle sufficiently enough to get close to one "optimal model" that you all agree on in one limited context but usually this is a cause of extreme finiteness of problem scope and extreme finiteness of social and subjective context.

Once we expand to anything even remotely close to "all models" or even "most things humans care vaguely about", the whole thing breaks down.

Personally, not only do i think all these things are not composed of non-opportunity cost incurring, objectively defined, qualitatively similar domains, i think all evidence points explicitly to the opposite.

This of course does not mean that generalising models are not valuable or practically interesting, but you no more have to worry about general AI or one model to rule them all any more than you have to worry about one fitness regime that will make you the best at sport.

Of course...you MIGHT have to worry about the social context, that is to say, one idea of sport becoming so pre-eminant socially that it is what everyone thinks of when fitness and sport are mentioned. If you're not into tiddly-winks when it takes over the world, you might be in for a world of social pain if you're not involved too...