[ioulian]

I live in Belgium. We have a lot of cyclists here, but I think 80% of them don't know their weak position on the road.

As my father said, "They think they are terminators, that if a car crashes into them, the car will break and they will be OK". And that's what I almost always see on the road.

We have a lot of cycling lanes, thank god for that, but sometimes they are not in a good state so all those people tend to share the roadway with other cars. I almost driven into 1 because he was riding a bicycle on a forest road where you can drive 90km/h in a turn.

I do realise how vulnerable cyclists are, I've driven my whole youth to school with one. As a cyclist, I always look when crossing the road, or just around me, to realise where I am and where other people are and do not trust other cars. But most people ignore logic and common sense and just cycle on a roadway.

I still think it's a good idea to have some education on how to use the road. I mean, if a car crashes into a cyclist, the car will have a minor dent, but you can break a lot of things or even die. It's so easy to think before driving on a road because the cycling lane is in bad state.

PS: I also understand that there are bad chauffeurs on the road too, but from my experience, far less than bad cyclists...

[pafje]

Whatever the speed limit, you should never go 90 km/h in a blind turn if it is too fast to avoid a cyclist. You're the one responsible as long as cyclists are allowed on the road (and for good reason). For example, on the tiny winding mountain roads of Corsica, the speed limit is generally 90 km/h but it would be crazy for a non-local to go more than 50 or 60 km/h (if only because of the random encounters with wild boars ;))

[Xylakant]

> Whatever the speed limit, you should never go 90 km/h in a blind turn if it is too fast to avoid a cyclist.

It might just as well be some other obstacle: slow moving vehicle, car stuck on the road, end of a traffic jam. People really really need to learn that you need to be able to come to a dead stop within the distance that you can see.

[vvillena]

> Whatever the speed limit, you should never go 90 km/h in a blind turn if it is too fast to avoid a cyclist.

I suppose it depends on the country, but usually roads mandate minimum speeds (tipically half the max speed) in order to avoid issues like this. Anything lower than the minimum speed should be treated like a static obstacle, so maximum speed should always take into account unexpected hazards.

Given that cyclists cannot tipically maintain the minimum speed required in any country road, they cannot share the road with faster vehicles. It's either curbs or segregated roads. Anything else is plain craziness.

[NLips]

Which countries have minimum speed limits? Not the US or UK to my knowledge?

(Yes, there are plenty of other countries, but those seem to be the two most discussed here)

[ioulian]

In Belgium on the highway, the minimum speed is 70km/h (max is 120km/h)

[dsego]

People conveniently forget to adjust the speed to road conditions.

[frabbit]

Cycling is similar KSI (killed-seriously-injured) per hour travelled as driving and walking according to some measurements. The trick is in calculating exposure: per-trip, per-distance and per-time all give different results. Per-time often suggests that cycling is safer compared to other modes of transport[1]. Per-trip and per-distance flip between cycling and driving[2]. Interestingly, being a public transit user works out the safest under both of these metrics.

" I also understand that there are bad chauffeurs on the road too, but from my experience, far less than bad cyclists..."

Your comment, which to be fair is not unusual, is essentially concern trolling. This impression is reinforced by your retailing of your measureless anecdote about how cyclists are worse than car drivers for being "bad".

Essentially, cycling is safe enough. Cyclists are not worse than any other road users. However compared to other road users they are not contributing to CO2 and are substantially less likely to kill other road users or suffer health problems stemming from low exercise levels.

[1] http://careymcandrews.org/pdf/McAndrews_et_al_Accident_Anal_... [2] https://journal.cpha.ca/index.php/cjph/article/download/3621...