[jacobolus]

Edit: the downvoters win. Consider my (neutral/non-normative, but apparently controversial) comment deleted/retracted.

Edit #2: If you keep further downvoting a comment that already explicitly says to consider itself deleted, you are a jackass. Please flag it instead.

[inferiorhuman]

Unfortunately both the UC and CSU systems are very top heavy. They've been nickle and diming the students and taxpayers to prop up some obscene salaries for regents and executives. Hell, UCSF outsourced a bunch of its IT staff to HCL (H1B), but hasn't even begun to trim the fat at the top.

Of course another option would be to lean more heavily on private donors like Zuckerberg and Benioff.

[junkscience2017]

No, foreign students are keeping UC corrupt. UC has been plagued by scandal after scandal, horrendous waste, graft, patronage...etc etc

The UC system needs more oversight, not more funny money. Cal had enough money to build a gorgeous football stadium. They have enough money to fund the Chancellor's alleged slush fund.

California residents have an extremely high tax burden. They are doing their part. UC needs to be cleaned up, starting with a renewed focus on their core mission. None of the necessary reforms will happen while California has one-party rule.

[iainmerrick]

You make it sound like foreign students are stealing resources from the US. To the contrary, they pay a lot for the privilege of studying, and they're likely to try to immigrate later -- and even if you're anti-immigration, it's madness to be against young, educated, skilled immigrants who've experienced your country at an impressionable age.

[junkscience2017]

The UC system was created to serve residents of the State. These are publicly funded institutions. They are here to serve the taxpaying public. Private schools exist to serve aspirational foreign students.

If residents feel the system does not serve them, they will defund it, and everyone will be worse off. We have these things called Propositions, and they tend to elicit emotional responses. Most California residents are probably beginning to have a negative impression of UC...most of the news from UC is graft, corruption, etc

[dragonwriter]

> These are publicly funded institutions.

They are institutions which are less and less public funded, and heading in the direction of the fully privatized formerly public institutions in much of the country.

> If residents feel the system does not serve them, they will defund it

They've been effectively defunding UC and CSU for decades through a number of measures, particularly the Prop 98 mandate that forces nominal budget increases to go largely to K-14 education.

That defunding is actually at the root of many of the complaints against UC, including it's reliance on non-resident students and their higher tuition.

[jacobolus]

another neutral/non-normative comment retracted

[saboot]

> The resentment comes because the UC system has a limited enrollment capacity with competitive admissions, and has a mission of educating residents. So when foreign students take some of those enrollment slots, local students who missed the cut feel cheated.

It's competitive, however it is anything but impossible to get admission into a UC. I'd consider the paths to getting in straight forward.

Either in highschool you are in the top 9% of students statewide, or top 9% in your local highschool if the school participates in the program. You are guaranteed an admission to at least one UC campus.

Didn't make it? Most community colleges offer guaranteed transfer agreements where you complete a requirement of classes and GPA, giving you an automatic admission.

And if this is still too much, there is the entire CSU system to consider.

[iainmerrick]

I'd add that meeting and interacting with international students is one of the perks of going to a good university. It expands your worldview.

This is true for business degrees especially -- it's all about making connections with people who can help you in your career for decades afterwards.

I think it applies to science and arts degrees too. Certainly if you stay in academia, having international academic connections can be very useful.

[lern_too_spel]

On the contrary, California's budget is awful because of a combination of Prop 13 and the lack of one party rule. By requiring a supermajority vote for tax changes, Prop 13 all but guaranteed that any additional programs would be funded by ballot initiative, which has forced way too much of California's tax revenue into no longer needed programs and bond repayment. The recent Democrat supermajority has slowly been cleaning up what little of the government remains in control of the legislature.