[cpkpad]

In many states, this has already happened due to a different area of law which operates on rumor and innuendo: divorce.

In several states, divorce law was rewritten by feminists and a lobby of divorce lawyers. In those states, the vast majority of divorces are filed for by women. The majority have false accusations of abuse or domestic violence (indeed, in one state where I looked at the statistics in depth, as a man, you have a 12% chance of engaging in domestic violence, and a >25% chance of being accused of it).

It takes a high level of mental will-power not to generalize.

The result, unsurprisingly, is a large body of men who basically don't believe any of these allegations until proven in a court of law. I saw several transform from believing in equal-opportunity to becoming secret and extreme misogynists. Several whom I know personally hold positions of high power in both corporate and government settings.

Women at those organizations run into a secret glass ceiling.

And there is a sort of informal lobby who financially supports anti-women's-rights candidates.

[bbatha]

While I'm certain all sorts of shenanigans come out in divorce proceedings,

> (indeed, in one state where I looked at the statistics in depth, as a man, you have a 12% chance of engaging in domestic violence, and a >25% chance of being accused of it).

This statistic is not sufficient evidence to draw the conclusion that women make up domestic abuse charges with regularity. Its far more likely that women are more likely to divorce their spouse if they are abusive.

[nailer]

Do you genuinely believe domestic violence is an issue in more than 25% of marriages that end in divorce?

[bbatha]

Yes. What the statistic we're seeing here is that women who divorce their spouse are twice as likely to victims of domestic abuse. Is that really a stretch?

[AnimalMuppet]

Because as the marriage goes bad, the man is more likely to start becoming abusive. Because if the man is abusive, the marriage is more likely to go bad. Both are very likely true.

Note well: I am not saying that every divorce is because of abuse. I am not saying that every man in a bad marriage will become an abuser.

[nailer]

Yes. I don't believe 12% of relationships involve domestic violence either.

[nailer]

> The result, unsurprisingly, is a large body of men who basically don't believe any of these allegations until proven in a court of law.

As it should be - anyone, male of female, accused of a crime should be considered innocent until proven guilty rather than have their lives wrecked on an unproven allegation. There are some cases - Weinstein and Cosby - where tens or hundreds of victims have come forward that it's likely that it's reasonable to assume the outcome. Those are the exceptions, not the rule.

Before you start making claims about victim blaming, consider that first we must establish who the victim is: we've just had two well-publicised proven false rape allegations in two weeks in the UK: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-42417553

[dogma1138]

The Liam case wasn’t just proven false it indicated a much bigger problem.

I really hope that that case wasn’t that the police was too scared of the political fallout of submitting exonerating evidence in a sexual assault case, i much rather it be just sheer stupidity or plain old corruption for personal political gain.

The UK has had a lot of problems with law enforcement and local authorities not willing to investigate or sweeping under the rug possibly charged political cases such as the sexual assault gangs and pedophile rings in certain communities.

I’ve also known a few people in hiring positione that won’t hire women in today’s climate simply because they are too scared to manage them.

I’ve also seen some cases of false accusations, a big one happened at my first job where a woman working there filed an accusation against a colleague of mine because she got hurt as he didn’t react to her advances, when she submitted it to HR they basically told her “you know he’s gay rught?” It didn’t stop her from going to the external company that handled sexual assault claims nor filing a police report.

I’ve also had a collegue who’s kickboxing instructor of a wife pretty much tried to bait him to beat her during the divorce by punching him. The guy who’s built like a tank and would make you want to switch to the other side of the road came to work with a black eye one day and basically it was from his wife.

There are a lot of cases which are much more nuanced than they seem and in many cases it’s almost a taboo to talk about it in any way that isn’t completely onesided.

[pjc50]

Are these states which don't have no-fault divorce and therefore effectively require allegations to be made?